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Indiana Democrats flee state legislature to avoid anti-union vote

Barbbtx said:
I agree and Walkers plan would give people a choice. They could no longer be forced to join and pay dues, but they could if they wanted to.
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they have a choice when they apply for the job...they are made aware upfront that the job is unionized...if they don't like unions, they can walk away and decline the job.
 
randel said:
they have a choice when they apply for the job...they are made aware upfront that the job is unionized...if they don't like unions, they can walk away and decline the job.
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People should not be forced to be in a union to get the job.
 
X Factor said:
People should not be forced to be in a union to get the job.
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and those that would choose not to join the union shouldnt recieve the benefits/pay that were negotiated by the union, and shouldnt be entitled to representation by the union.
 
randel said:
and those that would choose not to join the union shouldnt recieve the benefits/pay that were negotiated by the union, and shouldnt be entitled to representation by the union.
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I don't disagree with this. Bet I could be more competitive for the job by not being union.
 
MaggieD said:
You are the one who made the statement, Randel. If you have no good reason for it, I understand.
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why should you be able to walk into a shop, decline to join the union, get a job, making the same the money as the union members, and enjoy the benefit of representation without being a member of the union, and without contributing union dues to the union? why should you get all the benefits but not pay for it ? i don't think so! screw that
 
randel said:
why should you be able to walk into a shop, decline to join the union, get a job, making the same the money as the union members, and enjoy the benefit of representation without being a member of the union, and without contributing union dues to the union? why should you get all the benefits but not pay for it ? i don't think so! screw that
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I'd be glad to do that. I bet that management would pay me more than the union workers anyway after they saw how much more productive I was.
 
Gill said:
I'd be glad to do that. I bet that management would pay me more than the union workers anyway after they saw how much more productive I was.
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:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
randel said:
why should you be able to walk into a shop, decline to join the union, get a job, making the same the money as the union members, and enjoy the benefit of representation without being a member of the union, and without contributing union dues to the union? why should you get all the benefits but not pay for it ? i don't think so! screw that
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Simple. Because you're doing the same job.
 
randel said:
why should you be able to walk into a shop, decline to join the union, get a job, making the same the money as the union members, and enjoy the benefit of representation without being a member of the union, and without contributing union dues to the union? why should you get all the benefits but not pay for it ? i don't think so! screw that
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No, here's the way it works. Let's take the teacher's union.

Taxpayers pay taxes. Those taxes pay the teachers. Those teachers pay union dues. The union takes those dues and funds the campaigns of liberal union-friendly candidates.

Anyone paid with taxpayer money should not be able to unionize. Period.
 
iamitter said:
You could say the same about the senate. Let's go back to 2008.
Apparently the people of US wanted this...they voted for the Democrats. Now they must deal with what is being presented to them.
And yet they didn't.

The filibuster was put there specifically to prevent the imposing of the majority on the minority. I don't see this as any different. Using parliamentary procedures to block a bill.
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You mean like Obama saying, "I won and you lost?" Obama got his agenda through a totally partisan Democrat controlled Congress and then got shellacked in Nov. 2010. Whenthe American people speak supporting liberals it is the will of the people but when the American voter speaks against liberals it is sham election results and Democrats run from their responsibility.
 
MaggieD said:
Simple. Because you're doing the same job.
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no...you want the pay the union negotiated, you want the same representation, join the union.
 
randel said:
no...you want the pay the union negotiated, you want the same representation, join the union.
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why should i, if i can do the job better? why shouldn't i be paid more if i can do the job better? why shouldn't i be paid differently if that's what i prefer?
 
randel said:
no...you want the pay the union negotiated, you want the same representation, join the union.
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600,000 jobs lost in Ohio, thank you unions for all that you do to shrink economic growth and job creation. But what the hell, you got yours, right?
 
randel said:
no...you want the pay the union negotiated, you want the same representation, join the union.
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So.....forced payment of union dues. And then you're for forcing people to buy health insurance, too.

I thought you guys were "pro-choice". You seem to pick and choose what our "freedoms" should be very carefully, eh?
 
Gill said:
I've worked with a lot of union workers and know how they work, or should I say don't work.
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They're unfirable. They get out of everything they can and sit on their lazy asses most of the day.

They are everything that is wrong with America. We used to be exceptional; now we're unionized.

Then they wonder why companies look outside the U.S. for labor. Yes, it's cheaper, but it's also because those people actually work.
 
Erod said:
So.....forced payment of union dues. And then you're for forcing people to buy health insurance, too.

I thought you guys were "pro-choice". You seem to pick and choose what our "freedoms" should be very carefully, eh?
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nope. don't take the job.
 
randel said:
no...you want the pay the union negotiated, you want the same representation, join the union.
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It's not about protecting the union. It's not about anything other than doing the job. The company might pay me less. That's my choice. The company might pay me MORE if I don't join the union. Yay!!!!!

You union guys just keep sendin' your dues, Randel. Me? I'll get promoted and get raises on my own merits. It's worked for me so far...quite well.
 
haymarket said:
Standing up for the rights of working people is HEROIC.
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I think that's one of the main problems of society today.

We think we are ENTITLED to things. I hate to break it to you haymarket, but besides anti-discrimination and sexual harassment laws, you have NO RIGHTS as a worker. You don't even have a right to a job. So as an employee, you have no rights.

Stop thinking the world owes you ****, because they don't.
 
well he's a public union rep. so it was his job to consider all of us serfs taxpayers as owing his members something.
 
liblady said:
nope. don't take the job.
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Explain how government-paid employees who produce no revenue and are paid solely through tax dollars should be allowed to unionize against taxpayers.
 
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