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    Re: Indiana Democrats flee state legislature to avoid anti-union vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Explain how a government-paid employees who produce no revenue and are paid solely through tax dollars should be allowed to unionize against taxpayers.
    Outstanding Question, I anxiously await an answer but doubt one will be forthcoming.

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    Re: Indiana Democrats flee state legislature to avoid anti-union vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Explain how government-paid employees who produce no revenue and are paid solely through tax dollars should be allowed to unionize against taxpayers.
    in a free society, people can freely associate in any way they want.

    unionize all they want, but no more government favors for unions.

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    Re: Indiana Democrats flee state legislature to avoid anti-union vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    in a free society, people can freely associate in any way they want.

    unionize all they want, but no more government favors for unions.
    Unionizing in a private industry is one thing. Unionizing against unwilling taxpayers who have no say-so is quite something else.

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    Re: Indiana Democrats flee state legislature to avoid anti-union vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Unionizing in a private industry is one thing. Unionizing against unwilling taxpayers who have no say-so is quite something else.
    but at it's core, a union is simply a group of people working together for a collective goal.

    you can't legislate that away, it is a protected right.

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    Re: Indiana Democrats flee state legislature to avoid anti-union vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    but at it's core, a union is simply a group of people working together for a collective goal.

    you can't legislate that away, it is a protected right.
    Should it be a protected right for an employee to elect NOT to be in the union?

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    Re: Indiana Democrats flee state legislature to avoid anti-union vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Should it be a protected right for an employee to elect NOT to be in the union?
    of course. the isuse is not public unions, it is the government coddling of these public unions.

    the government should not assist in collecting dues, it should not force people to pay dues.

    I want a single progressive to step forward and say it would be ok to make it a requirement to contribute to the GOP as a precursor to getting a job - public or private job even! none of them would allow for such thing, but they will fight tooth and nail to preserve this advantage for themselves.

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    Re: Indiana Democrats flee state legislature to avoid anti-union vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    of course. the isuse is not public unions, it is the government coddling of these public unions.

    the government should not assist in collecting dues, it should not force people to pay dues.

    I want a single progressive to step forward and say it would be ok to make it a requirement to contribute to the GOP as a precursor to getting a job - public or private job even! none of them would allow for such thing, but they will fight tooth and nail to preserve this advantage for themselves.
    Well, Wisconsin and Indiana teachers don't have the choice to pay those dues. And where does that due money come from? Taxpayers.

    A union should NEVER be funded by taxpayers. If a group of people want to form a union, fine. But it should be based on earnings from a profit-based employer, not the forced payment of unwilling taxpayers.

    Government employees should not be able to collectively bargain against citizens when those employees do not produce revenue to share in justifying their compensation increases. The free market will take care of them because citizens will want to ATTRACT good teachers.
    Last edited by Erod; 02-25-11 at 12:39 PM.

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    Re: Indiana Democrats flee state legislature to avoid anti-union vote

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is the "reformed version," yes? That's a wonderful thing. And fair to all concerned. Who could have a problem with that? Not me, certainly. But there's alllll those other ones out there --

    AEI - The Market Value of Public-Sector Pension Deficits
    FERS has been in place since 1984 under Reagan. There is only one other plan, CSRS, for fed employees that I'm aware of.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Indiana Democrats flee state legislature to avoid anti-union vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Well, Wisconsin and Indiana teachers don't have the choice to pay those dues. And where does that due money come from? Taxpayers.

    A union should NEVER be funded by taxpayers. If a group of people want to form a union, fine. But it should be based on earnings from a profit-based employer, not the forced payment of unwilling taxpayers.

    Government employees should not be able to collectively bargain against citizens when those employees do not produce revenue to share in justifying their compensation increases. The free market will take care of them because citizens will want to ATTRACT good teachers.
    it doesn't matter if a salary comes from free market competition, or from tax payers. you work for the money, it is yours do do with as you please. you can't stop people from donating their money to unions. that would be an absurd rights violation.

    but we can stop forcing people from giving these union dues as a stipulation to getting the job.

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    Re: Indiana Democrats flee state legislature to avoid anti-union vote

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    nope. don't take the job.
    So you are for preventing people from getting a job simply because they don't care to join a union ???

    I thought libs were pro-choice. I guess that only applies to approved liberal idealogies, right ??

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