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Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

You guys just don't get it. Why aren't the same papers that prove your identity to get a photo ID not good enough to allow you to vote?
Illegals don't have photo IDs?:roll:

this has already been explained.

how many dmv stations does a state need? Of those, you have paid employees with paid training working full time. they can reasonably be expected to learn to properly identity the hundreds of acceptable forms of identification

and how many polling stations are needed. more. lots more. and they work for one day every year at most, and are volunteers. you honestly don't see an improvement over them only having to correctly identify 1 piece of id?
 
this has already been explained.

how many dmv stations does a state need? Of those, you have paid employees with paid training working full time. they can reasonably be expected to learn to properly identitify the hundreds of acceptable forms of identification

and how many polling stations are needed. more. lots more. and they work for one day every year at most, and are volunateers. you honestly don't see an improvement over them only having to corectly identify 1 piece of id?

How long would it take to vote if we had to wait in line for this?
 
So if you are an elderly lady living in a nursing home and don't have a picture ID you do not have constitutional rights?

Can you give us a real life example of such a person?
 
If those papers will get you the photo ID, then just get the @#$%^ photo ID!!!
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Why should anyone be forced to do that by the government?
I could care less about either party but this is just political BS that means more government. It will do absolutely nothing to curb voter fraud since most fraud is commited by vote counters and poll workers. This entire issue is a joke. A kneejerk, ineffective solution that your were told to support. All this bill will do is keep some Americans, mostly the elderly from voting. You people are pathetic.
 
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Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote - FoxNews.com

It looks like the Republicans are trying to lure the Dems to come back from fleeing the state by scheduling a vote on non-spending legislation that under senate laws the Republicans can vote on with a simple 17 majority present.

This is all about 2012.

It's going to backfire on them either before or right after the elections when the U.S. defaults on loans and we go into a major depression.

Raise taxes on the wealthy, pay down the debt, and restart with these conservative, small Gov ideas. Look at what's happening in R.I. They fired all the teachers, and then will decide which ones to keep on. They're cutting the debt by cutting education-- human assets -- future workforce.
 
Doesn't really matter. The identity documents that are needed to create a photo ID should be good enough to allow someone to vote. After all the photo ID was issued because of those documents.


Free? Someone pays for them. Guess who?

It's still 28 bucks in Wisconsin.
Is that all, or are there other things like fingerprints?
 
Why should anyone be forced to do that by the government?
I could care less about either party but this is just political BS that means more government. It will do absolutely nothing to curb voter fraud since most fraud is commited by vote counters and poll workers. This entire issue is a joke. A kneejerk, ineffective solution that your were told to support. All this bill will do is keep some Americans, mostly the elderly from voting. You people are pathetic.


this losing outlook is the problem with America today.

using technology today, it would be super easy to setup a lower cost voting system that is less prone to fraud and corruption then the current one.

think of it as the modern day Hoover Damn project, it could be accomplished.

the problem is too many politicians have a vested interest to not make those kind of improvements.
 
Can you give us a real life example of such a person?

Bill Hendrickson, age 88, confined to a wheel chair, lives in the nursing home down the road. He was born in this country, but since he doesn't have a photo ID his constitutional right to vote will be revoked under the photo ID law.
 
Is that all, or are there other things like fingerprints?

You should keep your fingerprints with you at all times, even though you don't need them to get a photo ID.
 
Bill Hendrickson, age 88, confined to a wheel chair, lives in the nursing home down the road. He was born in this country, but since he doesn't have a photo ID his constitutional right to vote will be revoked under the photo ID law.

At the same time though, an illegal alien is voting when they don't have that right. I would support the government going to a person's residence to take a photo and create for them a photo ID. I support the legislation and I feel it will do more good than harm. In my state we have to show ID's and sign forms twice before we can vote and there really isn't much of a problem.
 
Bill Hendrickson, age 88, confined to a wheel chair, lives in the nursing home down the road. He was born in this country, but since he doesn't have a photo ID his constitutional right to vote will be revoked under the photo ID law.

you can't look at this as a zero sum game.

fraud is rampant in our current system. Every year, tens of thousands or more people are having their vote stolen by fraud, making it statistically no different then your hypothetical concern for Bill Hendrickson.
 
At the same time though, an illegal alien is voting when they don't have that right. I would support the government going to a person's residence to take a photo and create for them a photo ID. I support the legislation and I feel it will do more good than harm. In my state we have to show ID's and sign forms twice before we can vote and there really isn't much of a problem.

How many ilegal aliens will risk getting caught and deported just to vote? They have to prove who they are to vote with the same documents they would use to get photo ID.
 
How many ilegal aliens will risk getting caught and deported just to vote? They have to prove who they are to vote with the same documents they would use to get photo ID.

If they know no one is looking that hard in certain districts..........tens of thousands.
 
If they know no one is looking that hard in certain districts..........tens of thousands.

So the problem is really with the poll workers and not voter IDs? If an illegal doesn't have the identity papers to get a photo ID then he doesn't have the identity papers to vote.
Do you have any proof that tens of thousands of ilegals risked being caught and deported just to vote?
 
Actually, there have been several instances of voter fraud in Iowa. When I lived there, a Kerry campaign worker from Washington state tried to vote. I heard recently that a German resident going to college in Iowa was caught trying to vote.

Don't pretend it doesn't happen.

They were caught right? No, I don't think it is ahuge problem. It isn't a case of never versus always. Either one or the other.
 
So why can't they vote using the same identity documents they use to get the photo ID? You people are just adding an unneccesary step because they told you it was a good thing.

Photo IDs are created from non photo identity documents.


If you have someone go to every elderly/poor person and give them a photo ID free of charge, I'll support the law but it's still a waste of time and it's unnecessary. It's all just politics. They don't care if the votes are legit, they just care that their candidate wins.

Because you can't expect poll workers at every precinct to have the time or wherewithal to be able to take the time to verify that the documents are authentic whereas you can have people who are qualified and have the resources and time to do it properly at the DMV... You are really and truly desparate in your arguments here...
 
good. If Democrats wish not to represent their constituents, then let that have consequences.

not sure why people have not started recall petitions. Also wonder if these people who are hiding out are going to collect paychecks. Lastly if this goes on for a few months can they be taken of the roles as a Wisc. resident, what happens then.
 
Bill Hendrickson, age 88, confined to a wheel chair, lives in the nursing home down the road. He was born in this country, but since he doesn't have a photo ID his constitutional right to vote will be revoked under the photo ID law.

What would stop him from having someone take him to the DMV?
 
What would stop him from having someone take him to the DMV?

Why should he be forced by the government to do such a thing? He fought in WWII. Hasn't he done enough for his country to earn the right to vote? More government rules. That's always the answer for you big government types.
 
Why should he be forced by the government to do such a thing?

He wants to vote.So we want to be sure that he is who he says he is when he votes and we also want to be sure that he is voting only in his assigned polling place.

He fought in WWII. Hasn't he done enough for his country to earn the right to vote?
That is not relevant. It has nothing to do with his ability to go down to the DMV to get a ID nor does it have anything to do with voting requirements. Again what would stop him from having someone take him to the DMV so he can get a ID?


More government rules. That's always the answer for you big government types.

Why do you libs always make the assumption that being against big government only means no more laws on the books?
 
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Why do you libs always make the assumption that being against big government only means no more laws on the books?
You are big government. More laws means bigger government control. Hello?
Government adding restrictions in order to vote is big government. You are the closet liberal. Why deny it anymore? I am fiscally conservative, small government, socially liberal.
 
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In order to prevent voter fraud. Frankly, no ones rights are being taken away. All they have to do is get an id...

If it actually happened, then I would support it. But it doesn't.

The Bush Justice Department has a special dispensation to seek out Voter Fraud cases.

In three years across the entire USA, they found 95 cases, convicted only 70 of the 95, and of those 70 - only 18 were individual voters who committed fraud by voting ineligbly. The others were committed by poll workers or party officials - in other words, they couldn't have been addressed by voter ID laws.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html

This is what they were able to find after having a mandate to specifically seek these cases out.

That means: in the 2004 election, there were 112 million voters. Approximately .0000015% of Americans committed voter fraud.

Is it worth risking someone's Constitutional rights for something that doesn't actually happen?

What I find funny is that Indiana Republicans passed the toughest Voter ID laws in the land (despite NO evidence that fraud has ever occurred) and the first person who might be convicted of voter fraud IN STATE HISTORY is the recently-elected Republican Sec. of State, Charlie White - who explicitly committed voter fraud and claims "it was a mistake". And now he's in charge of Indiana election law. Nothing like a criminal overseeing elections.

White investigation: Fight between Secretary of State and lawyer caught on tape - fox59.com
 
not sure why people have not started recall petitions. Also wonder if these people who are hiding out are going to collect paychecks. Lastly if this goes on for a few months can they be taken of the roles as a Wisc. resident, what happens then.

They now have started recal petitions for 7 of those absent.
 
Is it alright if republicans hide whenever they percieve a defeat when it comes to voting?
 
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