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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    obama on the campaign trail:

    的f American workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when I知 in the White House, I値l put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself I値l walk on that picket line with you as president of the United States of America.
    FLASHBACK: Obama campaigned to walk picket line as president if collective bargaining rights threatened - Yahoo! News

    the coward can't find his clogs?

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    So do you think the American worker is less productive than 10 years ago?

    Allow me to answer for myself thanks. I don't think that people are less productive, although in education a real argument could be made.


    Again: The unions conceded to his cuts; they just want to maintain the right to collective bargaining. Allowing them to bargain doesn't have a direct effect on the budget. It's only about destroying their right to organize. That's all.
    What? Concession for what? One year? That's not much there FFG, considering that PS Unions are different from private business unions in the fact that they have a direct effect on electing the person that they are negotiating with. Man, talk about a Special Interest group. PS Unions shouldn't have collective bargaining in the first place, You know who said that? Not me, one of your hero's FDR.

    Yes. Some things have to be changed about pension plans that are over-promised. But in a time of record profits, the fact that people are more angry at their fellow workers than they are at the people making billions doing nothing is sad.
    We are talking about the Public Sector here, what profits? The states are broke!

    Eventually, we'll end up turning teachers, cops and fire fighters into slave-wagers. Seems like we're starting to consider them the same as fast-food workers. Why not just pay them minimum wage? Oh...wait. People want to eliminate the minimum wage, too.
    Oh brother, get real will ya? PS union members make on average today some 20% higher wages for like jobs in the private sector when you factor in benefits, and ability to collectively bargain. You libs need to understand that spreading everyone elses money around has shifted to stealing from those that make less than you do to pay your salaries and benefits. That will stop trust me.


    Since people think of teachers as baby-sitters, why don't we pay teachers like baby-sitters? $5 an hour/child to watch 30 children for 6.5 hours a day. Oh, wait. That would mean paying them $170,000 a year instead of $50,000 a year.

    Good God man. First off, most day care workers are not paid by the child, secondly, I want the good teachers to be paid more as incentive to do a good job, and I also want the bad teachers to be able to be fired. Right now that can't happen.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    No, that's not it. When he became President, he found out that Federal workers have never had the right to collective bargaining. Oh, and lest we forget, he's proposed a two-year pay freeze for all of them. Oh, and lest we forget, he doesn't need the union's okay. I'd say his clogs just don't fit anymore.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, that's not it. When he became President, he found out that Federal workers have never had the right to collective bargaining. Oh, and lest we forget, he's proposed a two-year pay freeze for all of them. Oh, and lest we forget, he doesn't need the union's okay. I'd say his clogs just don't fit anymore.
    Funny I watched some of the Sunday morning shows today. All of the hosts seemed to have missed your point about Federal workers not have collective bargaining points. Amazing that these folks who get paid millions to read their scripts know so little about the substance of what they are talking about.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They were caught right? No, I don't think it is ahuge problem. It isn't a case of never versus always. Either one or the other.
    Those two were. No one knows how many didn't.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Those two were. No one knows how many didn't.
    They would have a good idea if it was a huge problem. It's not likely that many actually can get through.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They would have a good idea if it was a huge problem. It's not likely that many actually can get through.
    Yeah, and it's not likely that any particular bank will be robbed either, but I'll bet you can't find one that doesn't have the best security system they can find.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yeah, and it's not likely that any particular bank will be robbed either, but I'll bet you can't find one that doesn't have the best security system they can find.
    We already take precautions. And just like at a bank, where we don't go aruond patting everyone down who come sin, there is no need to overreact to a problem that isn't likley there.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    psst...

    whatcha think's gonna happen to union membership when gubs in california and new york and illinois and wisconsin and new jersey and ohio and pennsylvania and just about every state in between drastically SLASH public payroll?

    what's gonna happen to the seiu's and the afscme's and their union dues?

    who's gonna counter the KARL ROVES and chambers of commerce as they set out to BUY our next few elections?

    how's membership, the remnant, gonna react towards the bosses when all those thousands per years in dues coffered up yielded em all SQUAT?

    walker doesn't have to act to CRIPPLE the unions

    they already did it to themselves

    party on, progressives

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    today: Ohio, Wisconsin shine spotlight on new union battle: Government workers vs. taxpayers

    govt workers vs taxpayers---and that's WAPO warbling

    who do you think's gonna win that one?

    seeya at the polls, pals

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