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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And the problem with left wing propaganda is that it tries, and woefully fails to mask the socialist content contained within. I am a truck driver, some would say a true working professional, with over 20 years on the road, and over 2 million safe miles, where's my package like that? You know? It's not happening because it would bankrupt my company and then I'd be out of a job...Wow, that takes real foresight there I tell ya.

    The problem with your push poll from USA Today is that it framed the question in a way to illicit a specific response. Typical.

    On Walker, suppose you tell me where the hell he is supposed to get the money to continue to allow these leaches to retire at 55 with 90% pay for the rest of their lives, and still attract business to his state, and not go bankrupt. What a joke.


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    So do you think the American worker is less productive than 10 years ago?

    The answer: No.

    Have wages increased for most workers? Also, no.

    Again: The unions conceded to his cuts; they just want to maintain the right to collective bargaining. Allowing them to bargain doesn't have a direct effect on the budget. It's only about destroying their right to organize. That's all.

    Yes. Some things have to be changed about pension plans that are over-promised. But in a time of record profits, the fact that people are more angry at their fellow workers than they are at the people making billions doing nothing is sad.

    Eventually, we'll end up turning teachers, cops and fire fighters into slave-wagers. Seems like we're starting to consider them the same as fast-food workers. Why not just pay them minimum wage? Oh...wait. People want to eliminate the minimum wage, too.

    Since people think of teachers as baby-sitters, why don't we pay teachers like baby-sitters? $5 an hour/child to watch 30 children for 6.5 hours a day. Oh, wait. That would mean paying them $170,000 a year instead of $50,000 a year.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And there will be one for Walker in January - guaranteed. Processes are already underway.
    of course there will be. Unions are tough fighters; you don't take them on unless you're willing for them to try to take you out.

    but we will see what the voters say. always easier to get people to vote against something than for it, but i'm thinking if he survives this, he will be handily reelected in 2016.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote


    Again: The unions conceded to his cuts; they just want to maintain the right to collective bargaining. Allowing them to bargain doesn't have a direct effect on the budget. It's only about destroying their right to organize. That's all.

    Yes. Some things have to be changed about pension plans that are over-promised. But in a time of record profits, the fact that people are more angry at their fellow workers than they are at the people making billions doing nothing is sad.
    There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for public sector workers to accept these cuts; the fact that they openly admit that they will is a sign of how slowly they are developing throughout this struggle, due in most part to the conservatism of the union bureaucracy who wants to use the cuts as a bargaining chip.

    Second, public sector pensions aren't over-funded. I have no problem with phasing out pensions in favor of 401k's, for a variety of reasons, but this is simply a lie.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Uh...the right to organize around a common goal:

    Employer/Union Rights and Obligations | NLRB

    If there's no reason for them to organize (i.e. collective bargaining), then there's no need for a union. Thus, Walker is denying them their right to organize.
    Ok, good, I was right. You conviently overlook the fact that these labor unions are taxpayer funded. That means that taxpayers have a right to vote them away.

    These bastards are sucking off of the taxpayers and you think THEY should have a right to demand **** their private sector cohorts can only dream of?

    What planet did you come from? Can you differentiate a private sector from public sector employee? If I have a private company and my employees want to unionize, I can't stop that and neither can you. But when TEACHERS and other public sector employees, whos paychecks come directly from the taxpayers, want to unionize, then the TAXPAYERS have a right to step in and say no.

    On a slightly different note, Wal-Mart is very anti-union and threatened employees who try to unionize. It says on that site they can't do that. Why aren't they in trouble for it?
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for public sector workers to accept these cuts; the fact that they openly admit that they will is a sign of how slowly they are developing throughout this struggle, due in most part to the conservatism of the union bureaucracy who wants to use the cuts as a bargaining chip.

    Second, public sector pensions aren't over-funded. I have no problem with phasing out pensions in favor of 401k's, for a variety of reasons, but this is simply a lie.
    Public sector unions will only give up their cushy pensions when taxpayers pry them from their cold dead hands. 401K's? You've got to be kidding.

    Your first paragraph makes no sense. They have agreed to pay more towards their pensions and healthcare costs because they are trying to save jobs. And because they were backed into the corner of public opinion.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    So do you think the American worker is less productive than 10 years ago?

    The answer: No.

    Have wages increased for most workers? Also, no.
    Link for this, please?

    Again: The unions conceded to his cuts; they just want to maintain the right to collective bargaining. Allowing them to bargain doesn't have a direct effect on the budget. It's only about destroying their right to organize. That's all.
    Again, they will retain the right to bargain over and above what is even allowed at the Federal level. That's all.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Is it alright if republicans hide whenever they percieve a defeat when it comes to voting?
    No, it wouldn't be ok...
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Like when Indiana Republicans ran out in 2004 when Democrats wouldn't let them amend the state constitution to make gays 2nd Class Citizens?

    It's funny. They did it on Feb. 24, 2004. Yet, 7 years later when Democrats do it to defend workers' rights (instead of trying to put discrimination into the Constitution), Republicans call it "un-democratic". Pfft.
    Do you have a link for that???
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    You are big government. More laws means bigger government control. Hello?
    Government adding restrictions in order to vote is big government. You are the closet liberal. Why deny it anymore? I am fiscally conservative, small government, socially liberal.
    You have absolutely no idea what big government means. Big government is considered the high taxation, centralization of political power, excessive public spending and or the inappropriate government interference in public policy and private sector. More laws do not mean bigger government control or big government. And it still has nothing to do with the question "What would prevent Bill Hendrickson from having someone take him to the DMV?"
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Do you have a link for that???
    •Legislation: The Legislature adjourned March 4, effectively killing a proposed state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. The measure passed the state Senate but stalled in the House when Democrats refused to bring it to a vote. Republicans unsuccessfully attempted to force a vote by stalling all legislative activity for one week by refusing to enter the House chambers. (HJR 3, SJR 7).
    50-state rundown on gay marriage laws

    It wasn't right when they did it either. This is a subversion of the Democratic process, imo. Just because you're in the minority, doesn't mean you can take your bat and ball and go home.
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