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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Is it alright if republicans hide whenever they percieve a defeat when it comes to voting?
    Like when Indiana Republicans ran out in 2004 when Democrats wouldn't let them amend the state constitution to make gays 2nd Class Citizens?

    It's funny. They did it on Feb. 24, 2004. Yet, 7 years later when Democrats do it to defend workers' rights (instead of trying to put discrimination into the Constitution), Republicans call it "un-democratic". Pfft.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by theunbubba View Post
    They now have started recal petitions for 7 of those absent.
    And there will be one for Walker in January - guaranteed. Processes are already underway.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

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    ............those same stolen birth certificates and SS cards used to get photo IDs? Why can they be used to obtain a photo ID, but not to vote?
    I am sure if you want to collectively turn our heads to illegals voting then sure why not take your stance. But, just because more than a few states like my former Maryland have buckled to La Raza pressure, under liberal demo governence, and allow illegals to obtain DL's no questions asked. Sanctuary cities, and Sanctuary states are doing nothing but furthering an already out of control problem with illegal immigration, and now to no ones surprise demo's want to make them yet another beholden voting block while keeping them in their place. What a bunch of ****.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

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    And there will be one for Walker in January - guaranteed. Processes are already underway.

    Yeah, good luck with that. He is doing what he ran on. The people are behind him. The tax paying citizen that is.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Like when Indiana Republicans ran out in 2004 when Democrats wouldn't let them amend the state constitution to make gays 2nd Class Citizens?

    It's funny. They did it on Feb. 24, 2004. Yet, 7 years later when Democrats do it to defend workers' rights (instead of trying to put discrimination into the Constitution), Republicans call it "un-democratic". Pfft.

    "Workers rights" pfft. code language for class warfare.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, good luck with that. He is doing what he ran on. The people are behind him. The tax paying citizen that is.


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    Because teachers, cops, and firefighters aren't tax-paying citizens.

    This is the problem with right-wing rhetoric. It now equates hard-working professional people who are largely underpaid for their education-level with welfare queens.

    And poll numbers show that 61% of Americans support the protesters over Walker.
    Poll: Americans favor union bargaining rights - USATODAY.com

    The only ones committing class warfare are Gov. Walker and his puppet masters who will steal government utilities from the public with Walker's permission.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Because teachers, cops, and firefighters aren't tax-paying citizens.

    This is the problem with right-wing rhetoric. It now equates hard-working professional people who are largely underpaid for their education-level with welfare queens.

    And poll numbers show that 61% of Americans support the protesters over Walker.
    Poll: Americans favor union bargaining rights - USATODAY.com

    The only ones committing class warfare are Gov. Walker and his puppet masters who will steal government utilities from the public with Walker's permission.

    And the problem with left wing propaganda is that it tries, and woefully fails to mask the socialist content contained within. I am a truck driver, some would say a true working professional, with over 20 years on the road, and over 2 million safe miles, where's my package like that? You know? It's not happening because it would bankrupt my company and then I'd be out of a job...Wow, that takes real foresight there I tell ya.

    The problem with your push poll from USA Today is that it framed the question in a way to illicit a specific response. Typical.

    On Walker, suppose you tell me where the hell he is supposed to get the money to continue to allow these leaches to retire at 55 with 90% pay for the rest of their lives, and still attract business to his state, and not go bankrupt. What a joke.


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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Do you people honestly believe illegal aliens would risk being caught and deported just to cast a vote? Give me a break. You do know you have to register in order to vote. You need to give your name, address and how long you've lived in your city. Illegals stay away from polls.
    How many illegals voted in the last election?

    Elderly people vote for candidates that support medicare and Social Security.


    Voter fraud is committed by the vote counters and poll workers, not the voters. That's a myth.
    I just had to respond to this post.

    Sound Politics: The Sour Lesson Of Bob Dornan's Defeat

    So far, this would seem to be a routine story, just another example of a politician who didn't pay enough attention to the folks back home, or how his district was changing. But there is more to the story. Dornan charged that Sanchez's margin came from non-citizens, and an investigation by the House of Representatives found that 547 non-citizens had voted in the election. Some believe that far more non-citizens voted, who were not detected. John Fund, in Stealing Elections, says that:

    An INS investigation in 1996 into alleged Motor Voter fraud in California's Forty-sixth Congressional District revealed that "4,023 illegal voters possibly cast ballots in the disputed election between Republican Robert Dornan and Democrat Loretta Sanchez." (p. 24)

    Unfortunately, Fund does not provide an end note for that quotation, though he does for most others in the book. The 4,023 is a larger number than I have seen in other accounts, though I have seen claims that more than 2,000 non-citizens were registered to vote in the district. The authoritative Almanac of American Politics (1998 edition) says only that "it is possible that Dornan has a case", which is as far as I would go, too.

    But the Almanac has more to say about how many of those non-citizens got on the rolls, and that part of the story is also instructive.

    Dornan brought his case to the House Contested Elections Task Force, which in February 1997 issued many subpoenas and promised a hearing in Orange County. Dornan argued that there were 1,789 illegal voters, and by Spring 1997 came up with proof that 547 non-citizens voted in Orange County and that 303 ineligibles had been registered to vote in the 46th District by Hermandad Nacional Mexicana; this fell short of proving the result was wrong, but raised questions about the netherworld of voter registration in Orange County. California's registration laws make it easy to get anyone on the voter rolls (the accused assassin of Mexican presidential candidate Luis Donaldo Colosio was a registered Democrat in San Pedro), and the Clinton Administration INS made great efforts to process new citizens and dispensed with the usual check for criminal records if the FBI did not respond within sixty days.

    Hermandad Nacional Mexicana was running an interesting operation in Orange County.

    Moreover, Dornan's attorney, Michael Schroeder, claims the taxpayer-funded English and citizenship classes were being illegally used for political purposes. In addition to being taught verb conjugations and the fundamentals of the U.S. Constitution, students in Hermandad's classes were receiving political indoctrination and being registered to vote even if they didn't meet the legal requirements.

    And it was not just Dornan who found an irregularity or two in the group's registrations. So did the Los Angeles Times and an independent organization, the Fair Elections Group. Taxpayers will be pleased to learn that Hermandad Nacional Mexicana was not only a non-profit organization, in spite of its activities, but was subsidized by grants from a variety of governments. And those who have read this site for some time will not be surprised that nearly all of those registered by the organization requested absentee ballots. As we have learned again and again, absentee ballots are the choice of most who commit vote fraud....
    Now before you think of issuing some kind of partisian snap at me, I actually dispised Dornan and in all the years I spent living in his district I never once voted for him. I was thrilled when Sanchez was elected. I was not thrilled to discover how easily non-citizens could end up casting ballots in American elections. Every election there are claims of voter fraud, and even evidence of voter fraud.

    This is just one incident in one election... 850 non-citizen votes verified by several independent investigations. Don't even try to pretend this is the only time such a thing has ever happened. Just don't go there.

    Nobody should ever be allowed to vote without a photo ID that has been obtained by showing proof of citizenship, whether that is a birth certificate or naturalization papers. A person cannot board an airplane or open a bank account without a photo ID, for heaven sakes. Getting one is certainly no hardship.
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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Like when Indiana Republicans ran out in 2004 when Democrats wouldn't let them amend the state constitution to make gays 2nd Class Citizens?

    It's funny. They did it on Feb. 24, 2004. Yet, 7 years later when Democrats do it to defend workers' rights (instead of trying to put discrimination into the Constitution), Republicans call it "un-democratic". Pfft.
    Would you please show me what "rights" a worker has?

    I want details, I want links.

    To save you time, you may skip the anti-discrimination laws and right to work in a safe environment. I mean the "rights" that these unions are fighting for.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: Wisconsin Republicans Try to Lure Back Dems By Scheduling Controversial Vote

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Would you please show me what "rights" a worker has?

    I want details, I want links.

    To save you time, you may skip the anti-discrimination laws and right to work in a safe environment. I mean the "rights" that these unions are fighting for.

    Thanks in advance.
    Uh...the right to organize around a common goal:

    Employer/Union Rights and Obligations | NLRB

    If there's no reason for them to organize (i.e. collective bargaining), then there's no need for a union. Thus, Walker is denying them their right to organize.

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