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BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

Are you essentially saying you have theives and then you have robin hood types? Ones who care about their own personal wealth, and others who feel they're protecting their waters and the people who have sunk into poverty due to their livelihood (fishing the waters) has been severely damaged?

Essentially. But the Pirates have damaged the other's standing by merging them both together as 'Pirates'.
Some of the Pirates I met are disgusting.
I do not know how you can waste 10 million so quickly but they do it
They also cleverly fund alot of the ransom money into Kenya and our neighboring countries. That explains why US is not finding co operation from the African countries into curbing Somali Piracy.

Kenya in particular has it brilliantly:
Pirates leave Kenyan vessels in the most part
Pirates fund money back into Kenya's economy
Kenya benefits
(That is why the Pirates were released a while back when they were caught and imprisoned)

Even the UN has said some of Somalia's waters have been damaged beyond repair. Do you know some of Somalia's waters has some of the most fish-rich waters in the world. The rest of the world have depleted their resources and have turned to Africa and other poor countries to fill in that gap
 
Yes I do.
Unlike probably everyone in this thread, I have met and spoken to members of both of these groups in my trips to my country.

The ones who do it for greed. The pirates are the ones who have their disgusting prostitutes, alcohol, who waste the ransom money on huge houses (You won't believe how OTT some of them are) but stash enough to bribe off the "Governments" and officials. And enough to quieten up the local population

The coast guards are those who are more humble with their ransom money. They use it to compensate those fishermen who have lost out, they build the schools and hospitals and roads in North Somalia.

Yes. I do recognize the difference and I do support one of them. One acted out of desperation and a last resort because it was the only way to protect themselves in the face of the rest of the world turning their back on it. The other started it because of the money involved and the rewards outweighed the risks




If you support "one of them" you should show us this otherside and not seemingly excuse the mass of them.
 
A Somalian supporting piracy. How unusual.

The rest of the world turned its back on Somalia?

Recall what happened when the Americans tried to bring aid to that sphincter??

What is a Somalian?

You mean when they overthrew a Government the population supported and who bought peace to the land because the Islamists did not match their ambitions in the region and funded warlords to stay in power?
You mean the air strikes Bush supported in Somalia?
You mean when US gave money and weapons to Ethiopia to kill Somalis with and sparked an insurgency and led to the rebirth of Al Shabab as Al Qaeda's ideological cousins?

Which one?
 
Why was those Americans near Somali waters?

Talk about crazy. Wow.
It's like those Americans who back packed across Iran

pleasure boats usually sail together in flotillas for safety. personally, i plan to stay away from those waters.
 
Rev, I think you're only reading what you want to read. She hasn't been "excusing" the mass of them.
 
They should throw them in jail, however as I understand it there is no place where the Somali pirates can be trialed so they are usually released after a while.
A UN report has suggested in the past to establish such place, but it doesn't seem like the report was taken into consideration.

They can be tried and jailed here in the states, but I don't think that acts as any kind of deterrent.
 
Yes I do.
Unlike probably everyone in this thread, I have met and spoken to members of both of these groups in my trips to my country.

The ones who do it for greed. The pirates are the ones who have their disgusting prostitutes, alcohol, who waste the ransom money on huge houses (You won't believe how OTT some of them are) but stash enough to bribe off the "Governments" and officials. And enough to quieten up the local population

The coast guards are those who are more humble with their ransom money. They use it to compensate those fishermen who have lost out, they build the schools and hospitals and roads in North Somalia.

Yes. I do recognize the difference and I do support one of them. One acted out of desperation and a last resort because it was the only way to protect themselves in the face of the rest of the world turning their back on it. The other started it because of the money involved and the rewards outweighed the risks

Even if we are to take your claims here as nothing but the absolute truth and assume that Somali pirates can be divided into two groups, one that hijacks boats and takes hostages for greed and another that does the same for the people, I can't see how does that make the situation different for the pirates' victims or for the responsibility of their respective government to maintain their security.
 
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Rev, I think you're only reading what you want to read. She hasn't been "excusing" the mass of them.

Not all of them, no. Just some of them.
 
They can be tried and jailed here in the states, but I don't think that acts as any kind of deterrent.

wouldn't it be easier to militarily escort commerical ships and ban pleasure craft.....take away their ready made supply of victims?
 
They can be tried and jailed here in the states, but I don't think that acts as any kind of deterrent.

lol
I think they will enjoy American prisons.

I remember a case a while back in which a Pirate was tried and jailed in the Netherlands if memory is correct and then when he finished his term. Was granted asylum because Somalia was and I quote "too dangerous to return him too" o_O

I suggest Djibouti as a country to jail them in.
 
Even if we are to take your claims here as nothing but the absolute truth and assume that Somali pirates can be divided into two groups, one that hijacks boats and takes hostages for greed and another that does the same for the people, I can't see how does that make the situation different for the pirates' victims or for the responsibility of their respective governments to maintain their security.

By that same logic, it would be ok for the United States to launch airstrikes against targets in Somalia. But, I bet someone wouldn't agree.
 
Even if we are to take your claims here as nothing but the absolute truth and assume that Somali pirates can be divided into two groups, one that hijacks boats and takes hostages for greed and another that does the same for the people, I can't see how does that make the situation different for the pirates' victims or for the responsibility of their respective governments to maintain their security.

To the victims. They are one and the same. I can't help that.

But there is a way to distinguish them both. Stop the illegal fishing and dumping. Stop any unlicensed, non military ships going near Somali waters and give assurances. The ones I support would no longer have any need to defend it.

The pirates however ... would still be there trying to hijack ships. Stop them
 
lol
I think they will enjoy American prisons.

I remember a case a while back in which a Pirate was tried and jailed in the Netherlands if memory is correct and then when he finished his term. Was granted asylum because Somalia was and I quote "too dangerous to return him too" o_O

I suggest Djibouti as a country to jail them in.

All the more reason why we should just kill them on the spot.
 
To the victims. They are one and the same. I can't help that.

But there is a way to distinguish them both. Stop the illegal fishing and dumping. Stop any unlicensed, non military ships going near Somali waters and give assurances. The ones I support would no longer have any need to defend it.

The pirates however ... would still be there trying to hijack ships. Stop them

Um...tell us again how the, "good guys", are doing the right thing?
 
No, no it's not, the Israeli method like the American one is to target militants. I would simply ask you to take your anti-Israeli propaganda elsewhere as clearly this thread is no place for it.

He did not say anything to bad....at first. But really lets be honest. Israel does what Hezbollah does. Just people don't see it that way because Israel uses jets with bombs with lazers and stuff.:eek:
 
If you support "one of them" you should show us this otherside and not seemingly excuse the mass of them.

More to the point, here

countries llegally dumping and fishing in Somali waters and took their money, so they armed themselves to ward them off.
Hence why Somalis call them coast guards. Not Pirates.

I support those coast guards who operate in Somali waters and always will.

Stating those that operate in Somali waters aiming at warding off those illegally dumping and fishing in those waters as teh "coast guard"

They weren't in Somali waters.
They weren't fishing.
They weren't dumping
They are not a rich company or from one of the countries responsible.

They should have been released. So no.

Again, specifically not excusing the "mass" of them but is specifically condemning those not doing the above...such as in this case.

So the fishermen took it upon themselves to protect Somali waters and it has been fed by greed. It's original cause was noble to me.

Again, pointing out the ones doing it to in Somali waters for proteciton as good, and condemning those that allowed it to turn into a thing of greed going outside of that border. Not excusing the "mass" of them.

And they weren't operating in Somali waters.

Again, condemning this recent attack for not being in Somali waters, again showing a difference and not showing "mass" excusing

Yes I do.
Those who act within Somali waters are defending their territory as is their God given right.

Those who act 100 miles outside of Somali waters have nothing but greed in mind.

And again

When did I even suggest that those Americans ought to be killed. I said they weren't anywhere near Somali waters and I differentiate between those who operate in Somali waters (who are coast guard in my eyes) and those who are pushed by greed (if they die, their own fault) and expand outside of Somali waters and go up to a 100 miles out of it

And once more, pointing out those that are in Somali Water as being okay in her mind while those that go outside of that, up to 100 miles away thus far (based on the farthest hijacking on her previously posted map), are pushed by greed and she doesn't support.

Her posts only show "mass" excusing if you're reading it through your own preconceptions rather than viewing them honestly. You may disagree with her assessment, but its ludicrous to even attempt to suggest she's excusing them on mass when she's clearly not.
 
Um...tell us again how the, "good guys", are doing the right thing?

We disagree on what is good or not. So there is no point.
I have already made my opinion clear in this thread and other ones.

Who I consider the Pirates and thieves are also those who have been stealing from Somalia without any compensation to the local populations. The ones who have been doing it without anyone stopping them.

They are just as criminal as those Pirates. The difference being the world is only focusing on one of the criminals and ignoring the other.
 
wouldn't it be easier to militarily escort commerical ships and ban pleasure craft.....take away their ready made supply of victims?

Escorts do seem appropriate I know, but it turns out they are too costly, breaks the business models.
Taxpayer funded escorts for commercial ships, not good use of government funding, let the market sort it out.

As to pleasure craft...maybe, but as long as there are offical, easily accessed warnings in the area about the dangers, the freedom to sail where you want isn't a bad thing.
 
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We disagree on what is good or not. So there is no point.
I have already made my opinion clear in this thread and other ones.

I believe everyone well understands that you condone murder, if you agree with the murders taking place. i.e. Somali piracy, Islamist terrorism, etc.

Who I consider the Pirates and thieves are also those who have been stealing from Somalia without any compensation to the local populations. The ones who have been doing it without anyone stopping them.

They are just as criminal as those Pirates. The difference being the world is only focusing on one of the criminals and ignoring the other.

Oh, we don't wanna meddle! Can't have that ****!!
 
Well, good thing I was commenting to reverend's statement of the "mass" of them rather than "Some of them" huh?

Condoning some of the criminals is no different than condoning all of the criminals.
 
I believe everyone well understands that you condone murder, if you agree with the murders taking place. i.e. Somali piracy, Islamist terrorism, etc.

Oh, we don't wanna meddle! Can't have that ****!!

So why you meddling in with Somalia?

Don't you dare try to link my stance on Somali Pirates with that of terrorists. I have never supported terrorists and the fact you are trying to use this to say I support the likes of Al Qaeda says it all.

And if you knew anything about Islam (which you don't except what you learn on FOX). You'd know Islamically what is going on is condemned by Islam and the Qu'ran as theft. Muslim countries ships have also been hijacked.

But unfortunately (or fortunately?) I'm an African before I am a Muslim and I will always be a nationalist.
 
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So why you meddling in with Somalia?

Don't you dare try to link my stance on Somali Pirates with that of terrorists. I have never supported terrorists and the fact you are trying to use this to say I support the likes of Al Qaeda says it all.

And if you knew anything about Islam (which you don't except what you learn on FOX). You'd know Islamically what is going on is condemned by Islam and the Qu'ran as theft. Muslim countries ships have also been hijacked.

But unfortunately (or fortunately?) I'm an African before I am a Muslim and I will always be a nationalist.

You condone their motivations.
 
You condone their motivations.

There is a difference between seeking to understand why they do what they do and supporting them

You clearly have blurred the line but don't try to link Piracy to the likes of Al Qaeda.
 
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