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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Considering the vessel wasn't illegally dumping nor fishing in Somali waters and I believe was captured outside of Somali territory my guess would be no.
    The statement was...
    I support those coast guards who operate in Somali waters and always will.
    Since those 'coast guards' are the same ones who killed the 4 missionaries, that statement would indicate approval.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I have been over it a million times in your other Pirate thread.

    Here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila
    For normal people perhaps.

    For individuals in a country which has seen nothing but death for a few decades and a generation who has been raised around it as a norm? I doubt it.
    Piracy will not stop without the root causes solved.
    That their nation has seen a lot of deaths means not that they as individuals would not be deterred to do something if they knew it'd get them killed.
    Individuals may only see death once, and if an individual would know that eating a poisoned fruit would get him killed he would not eat it, no matter how hungry he was.
    So by all means, deterrence is the solution, and frankly, it's not like there are even any other options here.

    Incorrect.
    Sure, poverty can be used as a excuse now. But that is not how "piracy" began.
    It was fishermen who were having their livelihood taken away from them by other
    countries llegally dumping and fishing in Somali waters and took their money, so they armed themselves to ward them off.
    Hence why Somalis call them coast guards. Not Pirates.
    I consider the Pirates those who enter Somalia's waters to fish our god given natural resources and dump their crap in Somali waters. They thought no one would do anything.
    Why would I care for that? You're making no sense here, the current cause is not illegal fishing or whatever, it is poverty. This may have been the cause for the poverty to exist in Somalia, but right now the cause for piracy is that poverty, and it is not the American government's responsibility or role to end that poverty. And since Somalia's government is either incapable or reluctant to deal with the piracy against foreign citizens, it is the responsibility of those citizens' countries to step in and maintain their security.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Since those 'coast guards' are the same ones who killed the 4 missionaries, that statement would indicate approval.
    No they are not.

    And they weren't operating in Somali waters.


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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Are you saying you're concerned the pirates would be trying to lure the subs into an ambush, or are you agreeing with me?

    from your link...
    Attacks on merchant ships by pirates originating on the Somalia coast have brought suggestions from some security experts that Q-ships be used again to tempt pirates into attacking a well defended ship .[4]

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Simple solution:

    Tell the Somali's that any ship that goes beyond 5 miles from shore will be attacked if it approaches any US Flag ship. And then back it up with action. Piracy, solved.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    No they are not.

    And they weren't operating in Somali waters.
    Ok... so you do differentiate between 'pirates' and 'coast guards' then. good.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    And since Somalia's government is either incapable or reluctant to deal with the piracy against foreign citizens, it is the responsibility of those citizens' countries to step in and maintain their security.
    There is no such thing as "Somalia's Government".

    Call it what it is.
    US instated puppets who are made up of murderers and warlords who no one wants and who control less territory than my Garden and must be under 24 hour protection from their own people.

    Sure there is another option.
    I have been saying military option will do nothing.
    But if you so badly want a Military option. I'll give you one:

    US blows up any ship that enters/leaves Somali waters. Done.
    I fixed piracy. Oh and in before the outrage by the rest of the world when Asian and European boats get blown up :/

    Infact when NATO invited Somali Elders on board. They asked the Elders for help to eradicate Piracy on land but refused to do anything about the illegal fishing and dumping saying it weren't in their jurisdiction.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    There is no such thing as "Somalia's Government".

    Call it what it is.
    US instated puppets who are made up of murderers and warlords who no one wants and who control less territory than my Garden and must be under 24 hour protection from their own people.

    Sure there is another option.
    I have been saying military option will do nothing.
    But if you so badly want a Military option. I'll give you one:

    US blows up any ship that enters/leaves Somali waters. Done.
    I fixed piracy. Oh and in before the outrage by the rest of the world when Asian and European boats get blown up :/

    Infact when NATO invited Somali Elders on board. They asked the Elders for help to eradicate Piracy on land but refused to do anything about the illegal fishing and dumping saying it weren't in their jurisdiction.
    Gotta love the excuse making for killing innocent people here.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Gotta love the excuse making for killing innocent people here.
    Location: US

    How many Iraqis and Afghans Civilians have died?
    Yeah ... come join me down here on my stool with my lack of morality.
    Last edited by Laila; 02-22-11 at 12:07 PM.


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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Are you saying you're concerned the pirates would be trying to lure the subs into an ambush, or are you agreeing with me?

    from your link...
    No, what I am saying is what you are suggesting is basically a variation on Q-ships.
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