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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Barack Obama: 'marriage is between a man and a woman' - Telegraph


    So I am less of a neocon than Obama.


    I am for equal rights, across the board.


    I think you misjudged me.
    I didn't really think you were a neocon because of the gay rights issue... it's mostly because your stance on international policy issues..

    I actually read this comment of yours in another thread, just before this...

    "Will the Democrats and liberals acknowledge and give credit to bush for his policies of spreading democracy in the ME?"

    ... so you think nonconservatism works?

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    You honestly have to ask me that? My definition of a neocon is everybody's definition of a neocon...

    Bush is a neocon because of his international policies, advocating an offensive military and spending, and the invasion of other countries to spread democracy...

    Are you familiar with the Bush Doctrine...
    The actual definition of a neo-con, or New Conservative, is someone who was once a Liberal but changed to become a Conservative. This happens frequently, often as people mature. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the invasion of other countries.

    The reason I asked is because many, particularly on the Left, seem confused as to what Neo Con really means. It's become a catchall term to suggest something negative but it is actually quite meaningless, apart from its original intent.

    I am familiar with what many claim to be the Bush Doctrine but the phrase was never used by George Bush himself.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The actual definition of a neo-con, or New Conservative, is someone who was once a Liberal but changed to become a Conservative. This happens frequently, often as people mature. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the invasion of other countries.

    The reason I asked is because many, particularly on the Left, seem confused as to what Neo Con really means. It's become a catchall term to suggest something negative but it is actually quite meaningless, apart from its original intent.

    I am familiar with what many claim to be the Bush Doctrine but the phrase was never used by George Bush himself.
    Actually neocons support using American economic and military power to spread democracy and capitalism throughout the world. That's what makes them neocons.
    "This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country."" GWB

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The actual definition of a neo-con, or New Conservative, is someone who was once a Liberal but changed to become a Conservative. This happens frequently, often as people mature. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the invasion of other countries.

    The reason I asked is because many, particularly on the Left, seem confused as to what Neo Con really means. It's become a catchall term to suggest something negative but it is actually quite meaningless, apart from its original intent.

    I am familiar with what many claim to be the Bush Doctrine but the phrase was never used by George Bush himself.
    I am pretty sure this a conservative site...

    A neoconservative (also spelled "neo-conservative"; colloquially, neocon) in American politics is someone presented as a conservative but who actually favors big government, interventionalism, and a hostility to religion in politics and government. The word means "newly conservative," and thus formerly liberal. Many neocons had been liberals in their youth and admired President Franklin D. Roosevelt. In 2010 the highest priority of the neoconservatives is to increase military action by the United States in the Middle East and Afghanistan, and to expand it to an American confrontation against Iran.

    Neoconservatives tend to oppose the appointment of social conservatives to high governmental positions, such as nomination to the U.S. Supreme Court. Neoconservatives support candidates who are liberal on social issues instead.

    The defining position of a neoconservative is advocacy of an American foreign policy that seeks to install democracy in other nations. That reflects both their emphasis on foreign policy and their downplaying the significance of the differences in cultures and religion around the globe. The neoconservative position was discredited in the failure of democracy in the Iranian elections of 2009.

    The neoconservative movement emerged in the mid 1970s, played a limited role in the Ronald Reagan Administration, and then had a voice in the Defense Department under the George W. Bush Administration after 9/11. Candidates favored by neoconservatives for president in 2012 include Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee, Mike Pence and, to a lesser extent because she pulls support away those candidates, Sarah Palin.
    Neoconservatism - Conservapedia

    Favoring big government is always a negative, therefore neoconservatism is negative...

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I didn't really think you were a neocon because of the gay rights issue... it's mostly because your stance on international policy issues..

    I actually read this comment of yours in another thread, just before this...

    "Will the Democrats and liberals acknowledge and give credit to bush for his policies of spreading democracy in the ME?"

    ... so you think nonconservatism works?

    Dunno. I was simply opining on what bush said vs whats happening. Honestly facebook and twitter are a bigger part than out actions in iraq and a-stan.
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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am pretty sure this a conservative site...



    Neoconservatism - Conservapedia

    Favoring big government is always a negative, therefore neoconservatism is negative...
    I've not aware of any Neo Consrvative who actually "favors big government, interventionalism, and a hostility to religion in politics and government".

    Interventionalism, perhaps, although that might depend on several factors. If you know of any neo-conservatives who are hostile to religion in politics I'd like to know who they might be because that tends to be an issure supported by the left. The same is true of big government.

    But whoever gives the definition it seems clear that there are some varying definitions of what the term means, and it will probably change more over time as well. Some labels, and this is one of them, tend to mean whatever the user wants it to mean.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Actually neocons support using American economic and military power to spread democracy and capitalism throughout the world. That's what makes them neocons.
    That's generally my understanding also but when the term is being used for Gay Rights issues then that might be a leap too far.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's generally my understanding also but when the term is being used for Gay Rights issues then that might be a leap too far.
    Yes.......
    "This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country."" GWB

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    How about we put a few destroyers off the coast and kill any somali pirate who enters waters beyond the 12 mile coast?

    Piracy is not the answer, especially when it ends in murder.
    Do we include Europeans and Asians who are not military coming anywhere near Somalia?

    If so, we got ourselves a deal. Sink them all or none.
    Piracy is the only response available to them and I won't condemn them


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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    oh well. They were Christian missionaries so they had it coming. 1) For spreading religion and truth be told religion is a problem around the world. 2) They were American had they been French they would have been fine. But because American military have killed Somali's recently. It was a revenge killing done by the pirates. We won't take any action against the Somali's but we should be bombing Somalia with Drones like we do in Pakistan.
    I wouldn't quite word things that way - it is tragic, it always is hwne people become victims of crimes like this.

    But I always wonder 'WHY were they there?' - They were sailing in a yacht off the coast of Africa You know -that wouldn't be my first thought in my life when the world is unzipping. . . lets vacation where there's a high rate of crime.

    Other things that put people in the line of fire: traveling INTO a country where the people have overthrown the government and there is no law-enforcement oversight. Traveling to 'vacation cities' around the world that are dominated and controlled by drug cartels. Going water-skiing on a lake that crosses the border of a neighboring nation which we're at odds with. Touching toes across the border into a forbidden country.

    My reaction to these issues: what the **** did they think was going to happen when they ventured there?

    People KNOW the news - they know the dangers - but they chance it anyway.
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