Page 33 of 37 FirstFirst ... 233132333435 ... LastLast
Results 321 to 330 of 361

Thread: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

  1. #321
    Sage
    Laila's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last Seen
    04-28-17 @ 01:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    10,095

    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Hi Laila, could you explain your comments for those of us not fully up-to-date with the situation in the HOA? I have a few questions from your post:
    • Puntland? I've never heard this name before. Which part of Somalia is this?
    • In what way has Somaliland (that's the northern-most provinces, no?) been shirking its duty?
    • TFG? What does that stand for and why have the US been funding it?

    Thanks!
    Absolutely, it'd be my pleasure

    Puntland is a region. North of Somalia. Neighbour to Somaliland.
    Unlike Somaliland, it does not wish to get independence from Somalia. It wishes to become a federal State alongside Somalia. However recently, there has been disturbances in this previous status quo (it has withdrawn from TFG and refuses to recognize it's legitimacy and wishes to replace it)



    The lined area between Somaliland and Puntland is disputed territory.

    I'm from Somaliland and I myself am guilty of the criticism I am about to place on my people.
    I think we have acted selfishly.
    We separated ourselves completely from Somalia after the civil war understandably so considering the former dictator of Somalia tried to wipe us out but we are blaming the South in it's entirety for what happened with only his small sub clan

    Somaliland has refused to take part or help any peace talks. I think that is unforgivable.
    We have turned our back on our duties in the South and have used our grievances as a shield to not do anything and instead have turned to the West for Independence by showing we can be a democracy.
    If anyone can bring peace to Somalia. It is the kin and neighbor next door, not outside forces.
    The same methods that was used to bring peace to Somaliland. To reconcile the Qabils and build a democracy and through months of negotiations and peaceful resolution.
    Somaliland can become the perfect neutral territory to host the talks and a key negotiator in decisions.
    I want Somaliland to step up. Host peace conferences. Invite all the clan leaders, including factions of Al Shabab.
    Sharia law will become the basis of any new Somalia. That is a given and have it written into the constitution.
    The political model any new Somalia will I think be highly decentralized federalism to accommodate our rivalries.

    Our neighbors all have their own agendas in regards to Somalia. They all have a vested interest in seeing Somalia weak. Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti, Kenya.
    I have moved from wanting Somaliland to be recognized as Independent to opposing it. It is not in the interests of all Somalis. I was only thinking very selfishly about the best interests of Somalilanders.
    Only Puntland and Somaliland can benefit from true peace and if Somaliland still wants it's independence. It can find it through negotiation with a Government of Somalia rather than asking UK or US to recognize us, which will never happen due to the political complexities in the region.

    TFG = Transitional Federal Government.
    Many of them are relics of the Dictatorship and Warlords. Those who are hated, unrepresentative and are protected by AU and UN Soldiers.
    US has been funding it due to seeing it as a means to get a Government in Somalia.
    They are made up of those from a certain Qabils who are hated and unrepresentative.
    AU Soldiers in Somalia is seen as a occupation and invaders of Somali territory. Somalis do not like foreigners in Somalia. Even if they are African.
    Last edited by Laila; 02-24-11 at 07:10 PM.


  2. #322
    Sage
    Laila's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last Seen
    04-28-17 @ 01:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    10,095

    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Isn't it likely that Somaliland and Somalia separate with the former pursuing liberal democracy and the latter an Islamic republic?
    Somaliland is on the brink of war with Puntland. So I doubt we will be recognized any time soon if we fall into anarchy ourselves.
    Last edited by Laila; 02-24-11 at 07:11 PM.


  3. #323
    Global Moderator
    Bodhidarma approves bigly
    Andalublue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Granada, España
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:21 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    26,111

    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Absolutely, it'd be my pleasure

    Puntland is a region. North of Somalia. Neighbour to Somaliland....
    ...AU Soldiers in Somalia is seen as a occupation and invaders of Somali territory. Somalis do not like foreigners in Somalia. Even if they are African.
    Wow! Thank you for all that. I feel very ignorant and barely capabale of asking questions, never mind offering an opinion. Nevertheless I still have a few things I don't understand.
    • Why is Somaliland on the point of war with Puntland?
    • Why isn't the idea of separate states of Somaliland, Puntland and Somalia a reasonable solution? It appears that there are major political and cultural differences between the three. Why force them all into one nation when they might be more successful as 3, or at least a 2 successful ones out of 3?
    • Why do Somalis feel so negative towards the AU? Given that they have been so incapable of creatinf a functioning state themselves, why resent those trying to help them do so?

    Sorry for the ignorance.
    "The crisis will end when fear changes sides" - Pablo Iglesias Turrión

    "Austerity is used as a cover to reconfigure society and increase inequality and injustice." - Jeremy Corbyn

  4. #324
    Sage
    Laila's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last Seen
    04-28-17 @ 01:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    10,095

    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Wow! Thank you for all that. I feel very ignorant and barely capabale of asking questions, never mind offering an opinion. Nevertheless I still have a few things I don't understand.
    • Why is Somaliland on the point of war with Puntland?
    • Why isn't the idea of separate states of Somaliland, Puntland and Somalia a reasonable solution? It appears that there are major political and cultural differences between the three. Why force them all into one nation when they might be more successful as 3, or at least a 2 successful ones out of 3?
    • Why do Somalis feel so negative towards the AU? Given that they have been so incapable of creatinf a functioning state themselves, why resent those trying to help them do so?

    Sorry for the ignorance.
    I enjoy answering questions so don't apologize

    Recall the "disputed territory" that I highlighted previously.
    That is what the war will be about.

    Okay. Let me start from the beginning, bare with me because it may get confusing.

    Somaliland has a majority qabil (Isaaq). Puntland has a majority as well (Darood).
    SSC (Sool Sanaag Cayn) is the disputed territory.

    The colonials when they divided Somalia. Made the boundaries for Somaliland and Somalia and most of East Africa. In doing so, it included SSC with Somaliland.
    SSC is made up of similar Qabil members (Darood) as that of Puntland and thus does not wish to become Independent from Somalia and instead there is a significant minority who wish to succeed from Somaliland and join Somalia.
    So like most of Africa. There is a problem with boundaries. Somaliland refuses to change the colonial boundaries (which is forbidden according to the AU as it would lead to succession claims all across Africa who face similar issues)

    That is the backstory.

    Recently SSC separatists started attacking Somaliland forces (It began as two clans arguing over a piece of land ... amazing I know) and Somaliland has fought back. Puntland has threatened Somaliland that if it continues to spill any more blood of their "kin" they will get involved to defend their qabil. Somaliland is not backing down and neither is Puntland. I think it will escalate to a war

    You don't understand us Somalis.
    Give us the option and we will have 20 separate Somali States. One for every clan and sub clan will have it's own "country"
    I find it both funny and highly depressing

    Puntland could be successful and Somaliland separate.
    But what happens to the land disputes? Which will come up.
    Especially god forbid if we are cursed even more and discover oil and gas
    But I pray Somalia has no natural resources (Even tho it is likely it has large quantities of oil, gas and gems). Oh gawd, imagine the civil war over natural resources.

    Don't be fooled.
    AU is not there for any altruistic motive. War is business to these African countries.
    They get billions from US and the West and they do a half assesed job.
    They have killed civilians in Somalia and the worst thing I fear is Ugandan Soldiers in Somalia.

    Look at what they did to Congo years ago. UN has found them guilty of war crimes and even went so far to call it a genocide. The crimes includes gang raping and murdering Congolese women, spreading HIV. Hell there are documented cases of them breaking into houses and raping schoolgirls who were sleeping and you want me to welcome those monsters in Somalia? Why won't they do the same to Somali women? What stops them from committing those same crimes?
    Never will I accept Non Somali Soldiers in Somalia. Never
    Last edited by Laila; 02-24-11 at 07:55 PM.


  5. #325
    Global Moderator
    Bodhidarma approves bigly
    Andalublue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Granada, España
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:21 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    26,111

    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I enjoy answering questions so don't apologize

    Recall the "disputed territory" that I highlighted previously....
    ...Never will I accept Non Somali Soldiers in Somalia. Never
    Thanks for that, Laila. Sincerely. I so hope that Somalis can discover a Somali solution.
    "The crisis will end when fear changes sides" - Pablo Iglesias Turrión

    "Austerity is used as a cover to reconfigure society and increase inequality and injustice." - Jeremy Corbyn

  6. #326
    Sage
    Laila's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Last Seen
    04-28-17 @ 01:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    10,095

    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Thanks for that, Laila. Sincerely. I so hope that Somalis can discover a Somali solution.
    As do I.

    But I have this horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach that Somalia had it's last chance for peace in 2006 and it won't have it again for many decades


  7. #327
    Guru
    Councilman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Riverside, County, CA.
    Last Seen
    11-04-11 @ 10:16 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    4,454
    Blog Entries
    10

    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    It's time to put together a multinational force to include every Nation that has had a boat, ship, or canoe taken over by Pirates consisting of planes ultra fast heavily armed boats or small ships and go after every little threat they findd ans just sink them.

    Make no attempt to arrest them just sink them and leave them for the fish to clean up the mess.

  8. #328
    Sage
    SheWolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    24,512

    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Why would they go there knowing the risk?

  9. #329
    Sage
    SheWolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    24,512

    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post

    The country is a failure and needs to be invaded and occupied by an international force until it become a stable democracy.
    You couldn't say anything more blatantly neoconservative... wtf.. Are you sure you are Libertarian?

  10. #330
    Sage
    CriticalThought's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:27 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    18,131

    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    You couldn't say anything more blatantly neoconservative... wtf.. Are you sure you are Libertarian?
    He is a social conservative. He has been called out on it many times on the forum.

Page 33 of 37 FirstFirst ... 233132333435 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •