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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They can be tried and jailed here in the states, but I don't think that acts as any kind of deterrent.
    lol
    I think they will enjoy American prisons.

    I remember a case a while back in which a Pirate was tried and jailed in the Netherlands if memory is correct and then when he finished his term. Was granted asylum because Somalia was and I quote "too dangerous to return him too" o.O

    I suggest Djibouti as a country to jail them in.


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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Even if we are to take your claims here as nothing but the absolute truth and assume that Somali pirates can be divided into two groups, one that hijacks boats and takes hostages for greed and another that does the same for the people, I can't see how does that make the situation different for the pirates' victims or for the responsibility of their respective governments to maintain their security.
    By that same logic, it would be ok for the United States to launch airstrikes against targets in Somalia. But, I bet someone wouldn't agree.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Even if we are to take your claims here as nothing but the absolute truth and assume that Somali pirates can be divided into two groups, one that hijacks boats and takes hostages for greed and another that does the same for the people, I can't see how does that make the situation different for the pirates' victims or for the responsibility of their respective governments to maintain their security.
    To the victims. They are one and the same. I can't help that.

    But there is a way to distinguish them both. Stop the illegal fishing and dumping. Stop any unlicensed, non military ships going near Somali waters and give assurances. The ones I support would no longer have any need to defend it.

    The pirates however ... would still be there trying to hijack ships. Stop them


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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    lol
    I think they will enjoy American prisons.

    I remember a case a while back in which a Pirate was tried and jailed in the Netherlands if memory is correct and then when he finished his term. Was granted asylum because Somalia was and I quote "too dangerous to return him too" o.O

    I suggest Djibouti as a country to jail them in.
    All the more reason why we should just kill them on the spot.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    To the victims. They are one and the same. I can't help that.

    But there is a way to distinguish them both. Stop the illegal fishing and dumping. Stop any unlicensed, non military ships going near Somali waters and give assurances. The ones I support would no longer have any need to defend it.

    The pirates however ... would still be there trying to hijack ships. Stop them
    Um...tell us again how the, "good guys", are doing the right thing?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    No, no it's not, the Israeli method like the American one is to target militants. I would simply ask you to take your anti-Israeli propaganda elsewhere as clearly this thread is no place for it.
    He did not say anything to bad....at first. But really lets be honest. Israel does what Hezbollah does. Just people don't see it that way because Israel uses jets with bombs with lazers and stuff.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    If you support "one of them" you should show us this otherside and not seemingly excuse the mass of them.
    More to the point, here

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    countries llegally dumping and fishing in Somali waters and took their money, so they armed themselves to ward them off.
    Hence why Somalis call them coast guards. Not Pirates.

    I support those coast guards who operate in Somali waters and always will.
    Stating those that operate in Somali waters aiming at warding off those illegally dumping and fishing in those waters as teh "coast guard"

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    They weren't in Somali waters.
    They weren't fishing.
    They weren't dumping
    They are not a rich company or from one of the countries responsible.

    They should have been released. So no.
    Again, specifically not excusing the "mass" of them but is specifically condemning those not doing the above...such as in this case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    So the fishermen took it upon themselves to protect Somali waters and it has been fed by greed. It's original cause was noble to me.
    Again, pointing out the ones doing it to in Somali waters for proteciton as good, and condemning those that allowed it to turn into a thing of greed going outside of that border. Not excusing the "mass" of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    And they weren't operating in Somali waters.
    Again, condemning this recent attack for not being in Somali waters, again showing a difference and not showing "mass" excusing

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yes I do.
    Those who act within Somali waters are defending their territory as is their God given right.

    Those who act 100 miles outside of Somali waters have nothing but greed in mind.
    And again

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    When did I even suggest that those Americans ought to be killed. I said they weren't anywhere near Somali waters and I differentiate between those who operate in Somali waters (who are coast guard in my eyes) and those who are pushed by greed (if they die, their own fault) and expand outside of Somali waters and go up to a 100 miles out of it
    And once more, pointing out those that are in Somali Water as being okay in her mind while those that go outside of that, up to 100 miles away thus far (based on the farthest hijacking on her previously posted map), are pushed by greed and she doesn't support.

    Her posts only show "mass" excusing if you're reading it through your own preconceptions rather than viewing them honestly. You may disagree with her assessment, but its ludicrous to even attempt to suggest she's excusing them on mass when she's clearly not.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Um...tell us again how the, "good guys", are doing the right thing?
    We disagree on what is good or not. So there is no point.
    I have already made my opinion clear in this thread and other ones.

    Who I consider the Pirates and thieves are also those who have been stealing from Somalia without any compensation to the local populations. The ones who have been doing it without anyone stopping them.

    They are just as criminal as those Pirates. The difference being the world is only focusing on one of the criminals and ignoring the other.


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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not all of them, no. Just some of them.
    Well, good thing I was commenting to reverend's statement of the "mass" of them rather than "Some of them" huh?

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    wouldn't it be easier to militarily escort commerical ships and ban pleasure craft.....take away their ready made supply of victims?
    Escorts do seem appropriate I know, but it turns out they are too costly, breaks the business models.
    Taxpayer funded escorts for commercial ships, not good use of government funding, let the market sort it out.

    As to pleasure craft...maybe, but as long as there are offical, easily accessed warnings in the area about the dangers, the freedom to sail where you want isn't a bad thing.
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