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BREAKING NEWS: 4 Americans Abducted by Somali Pirates Have Been Killed

apdst said:
So, they should board and murder people on all ships passing within 200 miles of their coast?
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Did you not read his post?

But just going with the 200 mile economic exclusive range would mean the Somalis as compensation for theft and illegal dumping should enforce a "tax" on all ships passing within that range of the coast
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Arcadius said:
I will never own a fire arm as long as I live, so this doesn't matter to me. I doubt I'll ever own any kind of combat knife either.
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good. I hope those who do will treat you not too harshly
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah and I have a safe full of US, Austrian, German, Russian, Bulgarian, Polish, Brazilian, and Belgium military rifles.

and i carry a Sig 40 and a Smith and wesson 38 revolver

and while I wouldn't do it, I can walk down my street pretending to be Heinrich Himmler, goose step and all-and not be jailed

I can walk around with an automatic stilleto clipped to my pocket without worry of arrest

i understand you cannot even own a 4 lock back knife in England anymore


or bash gays and not have to attend what most would call "reeducation" camps.


I sort of like our freedoms over londons
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Turtle Dude, we've had several discussions about gun control, you've never once given me any facts to dispute the universally-accepted rule that tighter gun control decreases violent gun crime.

As far as goose-stepping down Piccadilly goes, I'll put that one down to American ignorance. Many Americans don't understand or feel history like we do. Americans are naive in their worldview. To many Americans, history is just a course they take in school where they learn dates about some old dudes who died a long time ago, blah blah blah. To us, goose-stepping down Piccadilly brings back memories of when the Nazis levelled half of London in the Blitz, only a couple generations ago. Americans can't understand that -- I bet you don't know anyone who died in the Second World War, or in Flanders in the First World War, or in the Transvaal at the edges of the Earth against the Boers. And if you do, your neighbour probably doesn't. But we do. It's real to us, not just some story. You see the ability to cry "Heil Hitler" and flash the Roman Salute in public as a 'freedom' -- we see it as a hate crime, because that's what it is, here, to us.


Now, with that said, two things:

One, I'm well aware of the difference between de jure mandates and de facto laws -- you live in Ohio. Whatever the law says, if you step out of your house strapped with an AK, the police will be called, and you'll be detained. I'll bet you my salary on that.

Secondly, pray tell where you heard about these 'reeducation camps', and link me some sources.
 
TurtleDude said:
lets play who knows more about the real world.

your ranting about america sounds like the crap I hear from rich college kids who are trying to piss their parents off because their parents won't buy them a Mercedes or send them skiing in the Alps

the question is still pending
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I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
 
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apdst said:
So, they should board and murder people on all ships passing within 200 miles of their coast?
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Where did I say murder

I said board the ships and impose a tax

The ship and crew remain prisoners untill the tax is paid

Heck the US used to engage in similar acts in the 1800s
 
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Le Marteau said:
Turtle Dude, we've had several discussions about gun control, you've never once given me any facts to dispute the universally-accepted rule that tighter gun control decreases violent gun crime.
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And what about non-gun violent crimes?
 
Le Marteau said:
Turtle Dude, we've had several discussions about gun control, you've never once given me any facts to dispute the universally-accepted rule that tighter gun control decreases violent gun crime.

As far as goose-stepping down Piccadilly goes, I'll put that one down to American ignorance. Many Americans don't understand or feel history like we do. Americans are naive in their worldview. To many Americans, history is just a course they take in school where they learn dates about some old dudes who died a long time ago, blah blah blah. To us, goose-stepping down Piccadilly brings back memories of when the Nazis levelled half of London in the Blitz, only a couple generations ago. Americans can't understand that -- I bet you don't know anyone who died in the Second World War, or in Flanders in the First World War, or in the Transvaal at the edges of the Earth against the Boers. And if you do, your neighbour probably doesn't. But we do. It's real to us, not just some story. You see the ability to cry "Heil Hitler" and flash the Roman Salute in public as a 'freedom' -- we see it as a hate crime, because that's what it is, here, to us.


Now, with that said, two things:

One, I'm well aware of the difference between de jure mandates and de facto laws -- you live in Ohio. Whatever the law says, if you step out of your house strapped with an AK, the police will be called, and you'll be detained. I'll bet you my salary on that.

Secondly, pray tell where you heard about these 'reeducation camps', and link me some sources.
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1) NO STUDY dealing with America has ever found that gun restrictions decrease Crime in our nation. the closest that they could come was finding that perhaps suicides among the moderately elderly was somewhat decreased

2) Freedom is more important to me than nanny state safety

3) I am outside my house plenty of times with an AK-at the range, gun shops etc
you cannot own a handgun in England because you all crapped your pants over one nutcase killing people
yet that law didn't stop crime-it just ruined the hobby of thousands of sport shooters. Your olympic team pistol shooters cannot even train in England


I find it interesting that american politics boards attract many eurosocialists-I don't know anyone who wastes time in my country on some eurosocialist board. I guess that means my country matter so much more to you all than yours do to us
 
TurtleDude said:
1) NO STUDY dealing with America has ever found that gun restrictions decrease Crime in our nation. the closest that they could come was finding that perhaps suicides among the moderately elderly was somewhat decreased

2) Freedom is more important to me than nanny state safety

3) I am outside my house plenty of times with an AK-at the range, gun shops etc
you cannot own a handgun in England because you all crapped your pants over one nutcase killing people
yet that law didn't stop crime-it just ruined the hobby of thousands of sport shooters. Your olympic team pistol shooters cannot even train in England


I find it interesting that american politics boards attract many eurosocialists-I don't know anyone who wastes time in my country on some eurosocialist board. I guess that means my country matter so much more to you all than yours do to us
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1) You can believe what you want, then. I think even if I gave you more evidence, you'd blatantly deny it.

2) You've proven my point. You don't understand that there's a boundary between freedom and excess, and you think any excess ought be protected by a right to freedom. That's sad.

3) Actually, this one's just a bit of fearmongering on FOX News's part, methinks. They can indeed train in England, and you can indeed go to a range and shoot in England -- you just can't take those guns home with you.

4) How would you know? You've never been to a European debate board anyway. Either way, I might point out the statistic that always gets you racist Americans fuming -- since 2001, more white (European-descended) Americans have been immigrating to Europe, than Europeans immigrating to America. Hablo espanol, senor?
 
TurtleDude said:
1) I find it interesting that american politics boards attract many eurosocialists-I don't know anyone who wastes time in my country on some eurosocialist board. I guess that means my country matter so much more to you all than yours do to us
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I don't know how to even begin to tell you how flawed your logic is right there.
 
Le Marteau said:
Turtle Dude, we've had several discussions about gun control, you've never once given me any facts to dispute the universally-accepted rule that tighter gun control decreases violent gun crime.

As far as goose-stepping down Piccadilly goes, I'll put that one down to American ignorance. Many Americans don't understand or feel history like we do. Americans are naive in their worldview. To many Americans, history is just a course they take in school where they learn dates about some old dudes who died a long time ago, blah blah blah. To us, goose-stepping down Piccadilly brings back memories of when the Nazis levelled half of London in the Blitz, only a couple generations ago. Americans can't understand that -- I bet you don't know anyone who died in the Second World War, or in Flanders in the First World War, or in the Transvaal at the edges of the Earth against the Boers. And if you do, your neighbour probably doesn't. But we do. It's real to us, not just some story. You see the ability to cry "Heil Hitler" and flash the Roman Salute in public as a 'freedom' -- we see it as a hate crime, because that's what it is, here, to us.


Now, with that said, two things:

One, I'm well aware of the difference between de jure mandates and de facto laws -- you live in Ohio. Whatever the law says, if you step out of your house strapped with an AK, the police will be called, and you'll be detained. I'll bet you my salary on that.

Secondly, pray tell where you heard about these 'reeducation camps', and link me some sources.
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As though you had any memories like that, you'd be in your 80's? Are you in your 80's?
 
American said:
As though you had any memories like that, you'd be in your 80's? Are you in your 80's?
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are you referring to an age or an IQ level.

its a tough call:mrgreen:
 
American said:
As though you had any memories like that, you'd be in your 80's? Are you in your 80's?
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Of course not. But you're just proving my point that you don't understand what I'm talking about. There's something called a national consciousness, a national awareness. It's a real thing, and it's a powerful concept. I wasn't alive during the Blitz, but my father was, as was his father, and my uncles, and my aunts, and my neighbours, and their parents, and my co-workers' parents. It is real to us, it's not just some story like it is to you guys.

But you don't know what I'm talking about.
 
Le Marteau said:
Of course not. But you're just proving my point that you don't understand what I'm talking about. There's something called a national consciousness, a national awareness. It's a real thing, and it's a powerful concept. I wasn't alive during the Blitz, but my father was, as was his father, and my uncles, and my aunts, and my neighbours, and their parents, and my co-workers' parents. It is real to us, it's not just some story like it is to you guys.

But you don't know what I'm talking about.
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and you clearly have no clue about america either
so perhaps you should stick to commenting about your nation and we will talk about ours
 
Arcadius said:
That's unfortunately not happening for a while. I'm afraid I'm a poor bastard.
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I bet there'd be 100 of us on this forum who'd be happy to chip in enough bucks to send you to Somalia:mrgreen:
 
TurtleDude said:
and you clearly have no clue about america either
so perhaps you should stick to commenting about your nation and we will talk about ours
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Haha, you guys are running your nation into the ground. It'll take some real European ingenuity to get you wayward lads back on track. But we're here to help. :D
 
Le Marteau said:
Haha, you guys are running your nation into the ground. It'll take some real European ingenuity to get you wayward lads back on track. But we're here to help. :D
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yeah you all did a bang up job in Greece
 
Laila said:
Why was those Americans near Somali waters?

Talk about crazy. Wow.
It's like those Americans who back packed across Iran
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They weren't. They were 1500 miles from Somalia. As as for your other claim that "Somalians have a shoot on sight order for Americans" these stupid pirates didn't get the message. They tooled around for four days demanding money from the American navy ship that was shadowing them.
 
Wow. I guess I should have read the whole thread before responding. After the first page, the only mention of the people who were murdered has been to counter arguments about how stupid they were to be there. Well, they were there. It was their life's dream to spend 10 years sailing around the globe, seeing places, meeting people. By all accounts they were lovely individuals who did not deserve to be hijacked and slaughtered by some 20 criminals. Somali pirates have blanketed the entire ocean from north Africa almost to the coast of India. There is no way to get anywhere by boat in that part of the world without going through waters stalked by Somali pirates.

These weren't stupid people. They didn't deserve their life's dream to be ended in a bloodbath.

That is all.
 
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DiAnna said:
They weren't. They were 1500 miles from Somalia. As as for your other claim that "Somalians have a shoot on sight order for Americans" these stupid pirates didn't get the message. They tooled around for four days demanding money from the American navy ship that was shadowing them.
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Haven't you heard? Everywhere is Somali waters and is justification for Somalis killing people, especially if they kill Americans.
 
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