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I don't want them to believe me. I want them to be stupid and go get shot at or allow their kids to go get shot at so that I can continue to pay less at the gas pump than Europe. I have no guilt about it whatsoever. The government exists to serve the people, and maintaining our supremacy is a valid goal. If we have to suppress a few countries, install a few dictators, fabricate intelligence so we can preemptively attack resource rich nations, etc. then fine. Better us than them.

This really makes me ashamed to be an American. What you have posted is horrific, treasonous and unconstitutional.
 
I am sorry I would have to disagree. My family has been in some sort of military for as long as there has been an American military. They sign up to defend us from foreign and domestic terrorist. If we had no military, do you think we would be sitting here debating this? I am sure some country would try out their new big boy pants and try to defeat America. Now I understand why some people cant wrap their heads around this proud feeling some of us get when speaking of the military..they just dont get it. Which is ok , but I can tell you those men and women out there have our freedom in their minds...and know they are defending it no matter the cost.

Oh, I certainly appreciate that they believe they are fighting for something as glorious as our freedom. I don't really care all that much what they believe. The fact is that since the Cold War they are nothing but tools. They fight for our continued economic and political supremacy and if it gives them a warm, glowly feeling to believe they are making the world a freer and better place by doing so, then all the better.
 
Oh, I certainly appreciate that they believe they are fighting for something as glorious as our freedom. I don't really care all that much what they believe. The fact is that since the Cold War they are nothing but tools. They fight for our continued economic and political supremacy and if it gives them a warm, glowly feeling to believe they are making the world a freer and better place by doing so, then all the better.

What about Bosnian war, the attack on 9/11...What do we do about those things? Sit on our rearends....let bygones be bygones...
 
This really makes me ashamed to be an American.

Why? Every great empire has done the same thing. Greece, Persia, Rome, etc. all build their empires on the blood of conquered nations that they expliot to build and maintain their own supremacy. Why do you think America is any different? Because we spread "democaracy" and "freedom" through the world?

What you have posted is horrific, treasonous and unconstitutional.

How? How does what I said undermine the US government? How does it undermine the Constitution?
 
People who defend us deserve every ounce of respect you have. Let's get down to basics... Think about when you go to sleep at night... you lay down. Enjoy the compfy mattress and warm blankets... maybe even cuddle with a loved one. Well next time you do lay down to sleep remember. thousands of miles away theres a young men and women who would lay their own blood into the ground so you and yours are safe. I think that makes them worthy of respect regardless. A soldier gives up freedom to protect yours.

We don't have freedoms, we have privileges. And what CriticalThought said. Actually, this may make me look really strange, but I lie awake at night thinking about how I don't deserve all this material comfort, and that people half way around the world deserve it as much as I, knowing that these people are being slaughtered doesn't help, luckily I've learned ways of making my mind go blank. But that's beside the matter, we don't need to have soldiers half way around the world killing people to protect us in this age. The next major would be nuclear. As conventional war against the U.S. is a ridiculous pursuit at our current military might. The most that will happen is some guys sneaking in and blowing **** up at this point, and such organizations can't be fought with conventional warfare.
 
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What about Bosnian war, the attack on 9/11...What do we do about those things? Sit on our rearends....let bygones be bygones...

Bosnia? We lost what in that war; 12 people? Didn't we use Islamist groups to smuggle weapons to the Bosnian government forces? How did that turn out?

The attack on 9/11? Tell me, did we ever kill the guy who orchestrated it? After conquering two countries did we ever get that Osama bin Laden guy?
 
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This really makes me ashamed to be an American. What you have posted is horrific, treasonous and unconstitutional.

Speaking out against the government is treasonous? Doesn't that defeat the point of our so called, "freedom"? America isn't some righteous force incapable of wrong doing.
 
Why? Every great empire has done the same thing. Greece, Persia, Rome, etc. all build their empires on the blood of conquered nations that they expliot to build and maintain their own supremacy. Why do you think America is any different? Because we spread "democaracy" and "freedom" through the world?



How? How does what I said undermine the US government? How does it undermine the Constitution?

You undermine the patriotism and determination of those brave soldiers who have dedicated their lives to a war that their government has determined to be vital to the national security. Whether I agree with the government's position or not... I do not... has nothing to do with the brave warriors who have done what they were requested to do and what they were trained to do. I can despise the war, yet salute the brave soldiers who have suffered and died on a battlefield that their Commander-In-Chief has demanded they conquer. It breaks my heart that they are there, sacrificing for their beliefs and their honor, in a war that I believe is not only unhonorable but illegal. This is not the fault of our brave men and women of the military. It is the fault of our inept, clueless politicians.
 
I am sorry I would have to disagree. My family has been in some sort of military for as long as there has been an American military. They sign up to defend us from foreign and domestic terrorist. If we had no military, do you think we would be sitting here debating this? I am sure some country would try out their new big boy pants and try to defeat America. Now I understand why some people cant wrap their heads around this proud feeling some of us get when speaking of the military..they just dont get it. Which is ok , but I can tell you those men and women out there have our freedom in their minds...and know they are defending it no matter the cost.

I love how much you just proved his point.
 
If we disband our military, not only do we put mainland US undefended, but we forfeit all the other countries that we have promised to protect and have no military. If you are anti-military, so be it. However, what I have been taught and learned is...always have the bigger Army and you wont get messed with...Hence, no one really messing with us. I love and respect our Military and thankful we have them. If you disagree, so be it. But thats where I stand.
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Speaking out against the government is treasonous? Doesn't that defeat the point of our so called, "freedom"? America isn't some righteous force incapable of wrong doing.

THIS is treasonous:

I don't want them to believe me. I want them to be stupid and go get shot at or allow their kids to go get shot at so that I can continue to pay less at the gas pump than Europe. I have no guilt about it whatsoever. The government exists to serve the people, and maintaining our supremacy is a valid goal. If we have to suppress a few countries, install a few dictators, fabricate intelligence so we can preemptively attack resource rich nations, etc. then fine. Better us than them.

And it's immoral.
 
Why? Every great empire has done the same thing. Greece, Persia, Rome, etc. all build their empires on the blood of conquered nations that they expliot to build and maintain their own supremacy. Why do you think America is any different? Because we spread "democaracy" and "freedom" through the world?



How? How does what I said undermine the US government? How does it undermine the Constitution?

Oh, I certainly appreciate that they believe they are fighting for something as glorious as our freedom. I don't really care all that much what they believe. The fact is that since the Cold War they are nothing but tools. They fight for our continued economic and political supremacy and if it gives them a warm, glowly feeling to believe they are making the world a freer and better place by doing so, then all the better.

We don't have freedoms, we have privileges. And what CriticalThought said. Actually, this may make me look really strange, but I lie awake at night thinking about how I don't deserve all this material comfort, and that people half way around the world deserve it as much as I, knowing that these people are being slaughtered doesn't help, luckily I've learned ways of making my mind go blank. But that's beside the matter, we don't need to have soldiers half way around the world killing people to protect us in this age. The next major would be nuclear. As conventional war against the U.S. is a ridiculous pursuit at our current military might. The most that will happen is some guys sneaking in and blowing **** up at this point, and such organizations can't be fought with conventional warfare.

Ladies and Gentlemen I give you the Albert Twins.
 
It's really pretty interesting about how the public perception of the military has changed over the past few decades. I think it has a lot to do with how the role the military has played has changed over that period, along with a strong campaign to tie it into national pride.

With that being said, the arguments in support of unquestioning loyalty to the military are as equally nonsensical as those promoting unquestioning loyalty to one's country. Typically absurd is the idea that the soldiers in Iraq are "dying for their country" or protecting US citizens, when that clearly is not the case.

I oppose ROTC recruiters and would have opposed this member's speech justifying them on campus.
 
You undermine the patriotism and determination of those brave soldiers who have dedicated their lives to a war that their government has determined to be vital to the national security. Whether I agree with the government's position or not... I do not... has nothing to do with the brave warriors who have done what they were requested to do and what they were trained to do. I can despise the war, yet salute the brave soldiers who have suffered and died on a battlefield that their Commander-In-Chief has demanded they conquer. It breaks my heart that they are there, sacrificing for their beliefs and their honor, in a war that I believe is not only unhonorable but illegal. This is not the fault of our brave men and women of the military. It is the fault of our inept, clueless politicians.

They weren't drafted, they chose to enlist. They decided they wanted to put themselves in harms way and that they wanted to make themselves obedient. As such, they were rash and stupid, which I suppose you want to call "brave" because you feel you owe them some sort of debt. Really, they chose to be our tool to enforce our economic and political agendas on the world in order to maintain our supremacy.
 
They weren't drafted, they chose to enlist. They decided they wanted to put themselves in harms way and that they wanted to make themselves obedient. As such, they were rash and stupid, which I suppose you want to call "brave" because you feel you owe them some sort of debt. Really, they chose to be our tool to enforce our economic and political agendas on the world in order to maintain our supremacy.

I think it's also important to point out the blatant hypocrisy of one who claims to oppose a war but support those fighting it.
 
You undermine the patriotism and determination of those brave soldiers who have dedicated their lives to a war that their government has determined to be vital to the national security. Whether I agree with the government's position or not... I do not... has nothing to do with the brave warriors who have done what they were requested to do and what they were trained to do. I can despise the war, yet salute the brave soldiers who have suffered and died on a battlefield that their Commander-In-Chief has demanded they conquer. It breaks my heart that they are there, sacrificing for their beliefs and their honor, in a war that I believe is not only unhonorable but illegal. This is not the fault of our brave men and women of the military. It is the fault of our inept, clueless politicians.

Why should we respect them for allowing themselves to be controlled? Why should I respect someone who may have directly or indirectly killed innocent people? War is a disgusting practice, and the ones who participate in it are just as much to blame as the people who sent them there. I think when a man sees his child killed by American bombs, curses both the country and it's soldiers.
 
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If we disband our military, not only do we put mainland US undefended, but we forfeit all the other countries that we have promised to protect and have no military. If you are anti-military, so be it. However, what I have been taught and learned is...always have the bigger Army and you wont get messed with...Hence, no one really messing with us. I love and respect our Military and thankful we have them. If you disagree, so be it. But thats where I stand.
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I have nothing against our military, I just see them for what they are.
 
THIS is treasonous:



And it's immoral.

Our nation was quite literally built on that philosophy. Just ask the Native Americans who lived on the land before the United States decided they wanted it. Yay for the brave soldiers who slaughtered for the sake of spreading freedom and democracy to the Native Americans!
 
If we disband our military, not only do we put mainland US undefended, but we forfeit all the other countries that we have promised to protect and have no military. If you are anti-military, so be it. However, what I have been taught and learned is...always have the bigger Army and you wont get messed with...Hence, no one really messing with us. I love and respect our Military and thankful we have them. If you disagree, so be it. But thats where I stand.
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I'm don't think we should disband the military. I think we shouldn't go to war unless it is absolutely necessary for the nation's security. And I don't think this can really be decided by a government that's corrupt.
 
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I think it's also important to point out the blatant hypocrisy of one who claims to oppose a war but support those fighting it.

Where did I say I opposed the war? As I said before, I want people to be stupid and go get shot at or allow their kids to go get shot at so that I can continue to pay less at the gas pump than Europe. I have no guilt about it whatsoever. The government exists to serve the people, and maintaining our supremacy is a valid goal. If we have to suppress a few countries, install a few dictators, fabricate intelligence so we can preemptively attack resource rich nations, etc. then fine. Better us than them.
 
These young people are the result of Liberalism that has taken control of the School systems from K through College.

The saying that, "Those who can do and those who can't Teach," is true.

Conservatives go out and work hard to make a buck and get ahead. Liberals become teachers because it's easy and once on the job they don't have to produce results ever.

Students are being brain washed aand what is worse is as can be seen here daily once indoctrinated they truly believe the nonsense they spew.

If you Google Liberalism is a mental disorder you find that Mike Savage is not alone in the belief.

Stupid post....I know a lot of teachers, none are liberal....and no students are being brainwashed with liberal crap in public schools. Some private church sponsored schools are brainwashing their kids with conservative crap, maybe.

My brother votes republican, he is a leech on society, has been on the govt teat for decades. Makes no sense. He sees the blacks on welfare as the problem, not the whites who outnumber the blacks.

I suspect you can't do, or teach, so all you have is bitching about those who teach. What's the problem? Did you fail to get an education?
The public schools I and my siblings attended served me well, because I cooperated, did my homework, learned enough to do well on military entrance exams, and got some good training. 2 of my siblings did the same, 2 more did not. What is the difference? Can't be the schools, same schools, same teachers, but different attitude toward learning....
 
They weren't drafted, they chose to enlist. They decided they wanted to put themselves in harms way and that they wanted to make themselves obedient. As such, they were rash and stupid, which I suppose you want to call "brave" because you feel you owe them some sort of debt. Really, they chose to be our tool to enforce our economic and political agendas on the world in order to maintain our supremacy.

I call them "brave" because they put themselves in harms' way because they believe in this country. They are neither rash nor stupid. I do not support either the war in Iraq or Afghanistan. I do support those soldiers who have given everything for a country they loved, whether I believe in the political decision that placed them there or not.
 
THIS is treasonous:



And it's immoral.

I don't see how this is in anyway treasonous to our country. I don't really think they care about morality. This is actually very intelligent, if one wants to maintain national dominance. Our country isn't morally above everyone else, we just claim to be.
 
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