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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Then perhaps you should go back to the original post to which I was responding instead of weenie wagging without legitimate objection, and ignoring the quotes to which the post was referring.'
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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Their decision placed them in Afghanistan and Iraq. They chose to enlist. They chose to obediently follow the orders. They never lost their free will. They made themselves susceptable to the consequences of whatever political decisoins would arise.

    I'm also very happy that they believe in their country. I believe in my country as well. I believe that we need stupid and rash people to join the military so that they can go and enforce our politcial and economic agendas on the world and maintain our supremacy. I want to continue to be able to eat meat when a billion other people in the world are starving. I want to be able to take 30 minute hot showers when hundreds of millions of people can't get clean drinking water. I want to be able to buy useless, cheap plastic crap made by laborers in China who are paid 17 cents a day when petroleum is becoming more expensive across the rest of the world. I would never be able to live in such relative luxury if not for those military people fighting for what they believe is "freedom" and "democracy" in the world.
    Please. Come to the "place that must not be mentioned". I have SO much to say to you.

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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Please. Come to the "place that must not be mentioned". I have SO much to say to you.
    I'm not sure what that is but feel free to send me a private message if you have something to say to me that you can't say publicly. I have to sign off for now.

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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm not sure what that is but feel free to send me a private message if you have something to say to me that you can't say publicly. I have to sign off for now.
    She means the Basement.

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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    She means the Basement.
    Yes. That's exactly what I mean. CPgrad08 I salute you and your service.

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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Yes. That's exactly what I mean. CPgrad08 I salute you and your service.
    I am not afriad. Say what you will.

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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    You undermine the patriotism and determination of those brave soldiers who have dedicated their lives to a war that their government has determined to be vital to the national security. Whether I agree with the government's position or not... I do not... has nothing to do with the brave warriors who have done what they were requested to do and what they were trained to do. I can despise the war, yet salute the brave soldiers who have suffered and died on a battlefield that their Commander-In-Chief has demanded they conquer. It breaks my heart that they are there, sacrificing for their beliefs and their honor, in a war that I believe is not only unhonorable but illegal. This is not the fault of our brave men and women of the military. It is the fault of our inept, clueless politicians.
    That is a laudable and completely understandable position DiAnna, but not really at issue in this thread. I believe that the comments by CT were made somewhat ironically.

    The central topic of this thread is the treatment of an Iraq War vet at a public meeting at Columbia University. The OP thinks that he was treated very badly. If you were to believe the NY Post report of the meeting you would think so. I thought so when I read it, but then someone posted the audio recording of the meeting. I listened to it and I couldn't hear anything that was worthy of provoking such an unproar of outrage. There were a couple of heckles and a laugh. He wasn't interrupted, he didn't have to stop his speech for order to be restored, he wasn't called the insulting names that the NYP said he was called. He did well, made a creditable speech and that was that. It was a non-story aimed, I reckon, at attacking liberals, because that's what the NY Post is for. Really, check out the recording.
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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    I listened to the audio clip from realclear... We'll he made the mistake of saying that people were plotting to kill them at every moment.
    "It doesn't matter how you feel about the war. It doesn't matter how you feel about fighting," said Maschek. "There are bad men out there plotting to kill you."

    Read more: Wounded Iraq veteran jeered for speaking in Columbia University ROTC debate - NYPOST.com
    Factually true in many senses. However, it's Columbia. Something tells me they have an idea of WHY which sort of swipes the legs from under his point. I would've lolled right in the guys face.

    "Racist!" some students yelled at Anthony Maschek...
    What'd he say? Anyone have a direct quote to whatever he said that garnered accusations of racism? Or is it more comfortable to our psyches to assume that jeers of racism were out of pure hatred for the military? Can any more sense be made of this? Not a very informative article. In fact, downright obfuscating.

    This isn't the 70's (though I was never there), I have yet to see lines of hippies spitting on returning veterans. I respect vets as much as anyone else. But I judge them on their personal merits and give them credit for the hardship of their duty. Having been around grunts I wouldn't quite throw out the flower wreaths for all of them. And wouldn't putting 11 rounds in the badguy make you a hero ? As for ROTC on campus... I couldn't reall care too much about the issue but I guess if people wan't to do ROTC they should be able to.

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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    What'd he say? Anyone have a direct quote to whatever he said that garnered accusations of racism?
    You listened to the audio. Did you hear anyone shout 'racist'? I didn't.
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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You listened to the audio. Did you hear anyone shout 'racist'? I didn't.
    Ditto. Starting out with the concept that bad bad men want to kill us everyday because they are bad and hate us cause were american is enough to listen to. Him getting yelled at for saying something else wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination though.

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