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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I don't want them to believe me. I want them to be stupid and go get shot at or allow their kids to go get shot at so that I can continue to pay less at the gas pump than Europe. I have no guilt about it whatsoever. The government exists to serve the people, and maintaining our supremacy is a valid goal. If we have to suppress a few countries, install a few dictators, fabricate intelligence so we can preemptively attack resource rich nations, etc. then fine. Better us than them.
    This really makes me ashamed to be an American. What you have posted is horrific, treasonous and unconstitutional.

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    I am sorry I would have to disagree. My family has been in some sort of military for as long as there has been an American military. They sign up to defend us from foreign and domestic terrorist. If we had no military, do you think we would be sitting here debating this? I am sure some country would try out their new big boy pants and try to defeat America. Now I understand why some people cant wrap their heads around this proud feeling some of us get when speaking of the military..they just dont get it. Which is ok , but I can tell you those men and women out there have our freedom in their minds...and know they are defending it no matter the cost.
    Oh, I certainly appreciate that they believe they are fighting for something as glorious as our freedom. I don't really care all that much what they believe. The fact is that since the Cold War they are nothing but tools. They fight for our continued economic and political supremacy and if it gives them a warm, glowly feeling to believe they are making the world a freer and better place by doing so, then all the better.

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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Oh, I certainly appreciate that they believe they are fighting for something as glorious as our freedom. I don't really care all that much what they believe. The fact is that since the Cold War they are nothing but tools. They fight for our continued economic and political supremacy and if it gives them a warm, glowly feeling to believe they are making the world a freer and better place by doing so, then all the better.
    What about Bosnian war, the attack on 9/11...What do we do about those things? Sit on our rearends....let bygones be bygones...
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    This really makes me ashamed to be an American.
    Why? Every great empire has done the same thing. Greece, Persia, Rome, etc. all build their empires on the blood of conquered nations that they expliot to build and maintain their own supremacy. Why do you think America is any different? Because we spread "democaracy" and "freedom" through the world?

    What you have posted is horrific, treasonous and unconstitutional.
    How? How does what I said undermine the US government? How does it undermine the Constitution?

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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by Gapeach View Post
    People who defend us deserve every ounce of respect you have. Let's get down to basics... Think about when you go to sleep at night... you lay down. Enjoy the compfy mattress and warm blankets... maybe even cuddle with a loved one. Well next time you do lay down to sleep remember. thousands of miles away theres a young men and women who would lay their own blood into the ground so you and yours are safe. I think that makes them worthy of respect regardless. A soldier gives up freedom to protect yours.
    We don't have freedoms, we have privileges. And what CriticalThought said. Actually, this may make me look really strange, but I lie awake at night thinking about how I don't deserve all this material comfort, and that people half way around the world deserve it as much as I, knowing that these people are being slaughtered doesn't help, luckily I've learned ways of making my mind go blank. But that's beside the matter, we don't need to have soldiers half way around the world killing people to protect us in this age. The next major would be nuclear. As conventional war against the U.S. is a ridiculous pursuit at our current military might. The most that will happen is some guys sneaking in and blowing **** up at this point, and such organizations can't be fought with conventional warfare.
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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by Gapeach View Post
    What about Bosnian war, the attack on 9/11...What do we do about those things? Sit on our rearends....let bygones be bygones...
    Bosnia? We lost what in that war; 12 people? Didn't we use Islamist groups to smuggle weapons to the Bosnian government forces? How did that turn out?

    The attack on 9/11? Tell me, did we ever kill the guy who orchestrated it? After conquering two countries did we ever get that Osama bin Laden guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This really makes me ashamed to be an American. What you have posted is horrific, treasonous and unconstitutional.
    Speaking out against the government is treasonous? Doesn't that defeat the point of our so called, "freedom"? America isn't some righteous force incapable of wrong doing.
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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Why? Every great empire has done the same thing. Greece, Persia, Rome, etc. all build their empires on the blood of conquered nations that they expliot to build and maintain their own supremacy. Why do you think America is any different? Because we spread "democaracy" and "freedom" through the world?



    How? How does what I said undermine the US government? How does it undermine the Constitution?
    You undermine the patriotism and determination of those brave soldiers who have dedicated their lives to a war that their government has determined to be vital to the national security. Whether I agree with the government's position or not... I do not... has nothing to do with the brave warriors who have done what they were requested to do and what they were trained to do. I can despise the war, yet salute the brave soldiers who have suffered and died on a battlefield that their Commander-In-Chief has demanded they conquer. It breaks my heart that they are there, sacrificing for their beliefs and their honor, in a war that I believe is not only unhonorable but illegal. This is not the fault of our brave men and women of the military. It is the fault of our inept, clueless politicians.

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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by Gapeach View Post
    I am sorry I would have to disagree. My family has been in some sort of military for as long as there has been an American military. They sign up to defend us from foreign and domestic terrorist. If we had no military, do you think we would be sitting here debating this? I am sure some country would try out their new big boy pants and try to defeat America. Now I understand why some people cant wrap their heads around this proud feeling some of us get when speaking of the military..they just dont get it. Which is ok , but I can tell you those men and women out there have our freedom in their minds...and know they are defending it no matter the cost.
    I love how much you just proved his point.
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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    If we disband our military, not only do we put mainland US undefended, but we forfeit all the other countries that we have promised to protect and have no military. If you are anti-military, so be it. However, what I have been taught and learned is...always have the bigger Army and you wont get messed with...Hence, no one really messing with us. I love and respect our Military and thankful we have them. If you disagree, so be it. But thats where I stand.
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