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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    When intellectual debates happen it tends to transcend the conservative liberal thingamabobber alot of people don't seem to be able to let go of. The philosophical positions can be laid bare without people freaking. What kind of events are they trying to 'shut down'? I go to a relatively conservative college.

    I am not going to sit here and pull up endless youtube's of speeches given at campuses across this nation where the conservative speaker has been shouted down in hopes of the liberal students shutting down the event, but you and I know it does exist. To say that intellectual debate can not happen? No, I won't say that fully yet, ..... yet. But it is getting to a point where you are labeled if you are a student, and conservative. Grades are effected. It is wrong.

    See, you think that it is only cons that have a hard time letting go of anything political when it comes to socializing on campus, but I am here to tell you that rarely do I see a conservative student taking the aggressive stance on campus, it is usually the liberal student that is in your face. So, I don't care whether you go to what you consider a conservative college, or a liberal one, the reality is that your faculty is mostly likely made up of liberal prof's that unless they can teach on a college campus, they be unemployable in the real world due to their inability to fit into society as a whole.

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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Sorry, that evil men that are evil because they just are and hate us because we are free as they plot to kill us everyday is absurd. Theres nothing intellectual about it and it received the natural and human reaction of absurd dismissal.
    And that would have been one line of argument that a subsequent speaker could have raised. The reality is that a lot of the public discourse on foreign/national security policy (not just on college campuses) is overly simplistic, naive, ill-informed, and often factually incorrect when numbers/claims are made.

    A good case in point is some of the Town Hall meetings that were broadcast or streamed online during the 2008 and 2010 elections. But such a situation does not offer license to silence the speakers. Otherwise, on college campuses, the claim of academic freedom rings hollow, and in the political sphere claims that government is representative are similarly undermined.

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    And that would have been one line of argument that a subsequent speaker could have raised. The reality is that a lot of the public discourse on foreign/national security policy (not just on college campuses) is overly simplistic, naive, ill-informed, and often factually incorrect when numbers/claims are made.

    A good case in point is some of the Town Hall meetings that were broadcast or streamed online during the 2008 and 2010 elections. But such a situation does not offer license to silence the speakers. Otherwise, on college campuses, the claim of academic freedom rings hollow, and in the political sphere claims that government is representative are similarly undermined.

    Now that is a fantastic point don. Why is it that the moniker of "Academic freedom" is such a lie today? Isn't it growing from the intolerance planted from the faculty?


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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Sorry, that evil men that are evil because they just are and hate us because we are free as they plot to kill us everyday is absurd. Theres nothing intellectual about it and it received the natural and human reaction of absurd dismissal.
    Are you kidding me ???? You actually believe that terrorists aren't plotting dozens of attacks on us at this very moment ???

    If you really believe that, I am very grateful that you have no role in this country's defense.

    To sum up your post with one word........

    naive:

    1. having or showing unaffected simplicity of nature or absence of artificiality; unsophisticated; ingenuous.
    2. having or showing a lack of experience, judgment, or information; credulous: She's so naive she believes everything she reads. He has a very naive attitude toward politics.

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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    But such a situation does not offer license to silence the speakers. Otherwise, on college campuses, the claim of academic freedom rings hollow, and in the political sphere claims that government is representative are similarly undermined.
    I suspect you haven't listened to the recording, Don. Had you done so you would hear that the vet was not silenced, he wasn't even interrupted. There was a little heckling and laughter in the background that didn't even serve to break his stride. This seems to me to be an issue that is being blown out of all proportion for partisan reasons.
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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I suspect you haven't listened to the recording, Don. Had you done so you would hear that the vet was not silenced, he wasn't even interrupted. There was a little heckling and laughter in the background that didn't even serve to break his stride. This seems to me to be an issue that is being blown out of all proportion for partisan reasons.
    He responded to the audience and asked them for civility.

    But, yes, I think this is being blown out of proportion- they're college teens. The majority of the audience was being respectful.
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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    We have a very active JROTC program in our middle schools and high school. It's a great program and teaches discipline, perseverance and what it means to be honorable in your actions. Both my kids have been involved in this since middle school and several high schoolers here have been awarded scholarships for their involvement and dedication to JROTC.

    I don't quite understand why having a soldier speak in favor of such a program, would be met with this kind of venom.

    Of course, I live in a military town so maybe that tells the difference of how we view and receive programs such as the JROTC.. and of the military in general? I don't know. I just find this sort of behavior toward a military vet to be disgusting and abhorrent.

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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    J-mac,

    Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to offer any concrete conclusions as to why some college campuses might have evolved as they have. I can suggest two possible hypotheses:

    1. Part of academic inquiry involves questioning/challenging generally-accepted views, structures, etc., as a subset of a rigorous exchange of views/ideas and their merits. Academic debate might have become skewed disproportionately along the line of challenging the establishment so to speak.

    2. In the hiring process, one typically sees hirees who are remarkably similar to those hiring them e.g., managers who are incrementalists often hire/place in authority people who have similar styles, etc. The same likely happens on college campuses, where faculty hires/tenure decisions tend disproportionately to perpetuate the styles/outlook of existing faculty. Over time, that approach can narrow perspectives.
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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I suspect you haven't listened to the recording, Don. Had you done so you would hear that the vet was not silenced, he wasn't even interrupted. There was a little heckling and laughter in the background that didn't even serve to break his stride. This seems to me to be an issue that is being blown out of all proportion for partisan reasons.
    It's not an isolated incident to have conservatives shouted down....Consider:





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    Re: Hero's unwelcome

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I suspect you haven't listened to the recording, Don. Had you done so you would hear that the vet was not silenced, he wasn't even interrupted. There was a little heckling and laughter in the background that didn't even serve to break his stride. This seems to me to be an issue that is being blown out of all proportion for partisan reasons.
    I have only seen the story. I haven't seen any videos of what happened, but if what you are stating is correct, then the news story exaggerates what happened. Hopefully, that's the case.

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