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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

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    Ah -- the old tyranny of the majority argument. I agree. It can be a bitch to be in the minority when the majority doesn't respect your rights, and since the societies in question have no track record of pluralism, I think a wait and see attitude is called for.

    You are sounding down right liberal here, Rev.
    What majority? I've yet to see a, "majority", in any of these uprisings.
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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    If democracy does spread througout the ME in a good way.....


    Will the Democrats and liberals acknowledge and give credit to bush for his policies of spreading democracy in the ME?
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

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    If democracy does spread througout the ME in a good way.....


    Will the Democrats and liberals acknowledge and give credit to bush for his policies of spreading democracy in the ME?
    You know that **** ain't gonna happen!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

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    Great retort! Really.
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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    It's not self determination, when the mob dictates to all of the people, how much freedom they can enjoy. We are a representative republic, for the very reason of avoiding mob rule. I don't think comparing the revolts in the ME to "self determination" is quite accurate here.
    Our methods are not the worlds methods. The way we express our self determination may not be how other nations express their self determination. The sooner we realize that we are not writing the rule book and others are not playing by it, the better off we will be in understanding the rest of the world.

    Even in the USA, a minority of people elect the president every four years. People in other nations could use that as evidence that our system is flawed and not what it professes to be.
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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Our methods are not the worlds methods. The way we express our self determination may not be how other nations express their self determination. The sooner we realize that we are not writing the rule book and others are not playing by it, the better off we will be in understanding the rest of the world.
    so if they elect a government that mandates rape victims should be stoned, and all women need to be circumsized and covered up, whe should just chalk it up to "Well that's there ways"?

    That's not liberty, and no I cant support that.



    Even in the USA, a minority of people elect the president every four years. People in other nations could use that as evidence that our system is flawed and not what it professes to be.

    Backed by a constitution that limits the role of government, something not seen in the ME here.
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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Our methods are not the worlds methods. The way we express our self determination may not be how other nations express their self determination. The sooner we realize that we are not writing the rule book and others are not playing by it, the better off we will be in understanding the rest of the world.

    Even in the USA, a minority of people elect the president every four years. People in other nations could use that as evidence that our system is flawed and not what it professes to be.
    My sense is that no one is saying we have the blueprint for anything. That being said it seems like a fair statement that no one knows who is backing any of these uprising. We know that all of the leaders being overthrown are despots, what is not clear are the intentions behind the people overthrowing them.

    It seems that these people are a lot more organized than you would expect from a group of college kids. So who really are these people and what type of government will they put in place. Let's remember that the current rulers for the most part overthrew other despots.

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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    so if they elect a government that mandates rape victims should be stoned, and all women need to be circumsized and covered up, whe should just chalk it up to "Well that's there ways"?

    That's not liberty, and no I cant support that.





    Backed by a constitution that limits the role of government, something not seen in the ME here.
    There is a tendency for people to single out what is different from them and pounce on that as a target for criticism. You and I understand the American system because we are Americans. Others do not have that depth of knowledge or experience as we do with our own system so what they cite as a deficiency or flaw may not be seen that way by us.

    And the same is true for us and them.
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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    If democracy does spread througout the ME in a good way.....


    Will the Democrats and liberals acknowledge and give credit to bush for his policies of spreading democracy in the ME?
    I fail to see any connection between our wars and what is happening in north africa, but if you say so...

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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Holy crap, the Mideast is having a domino effect....

    I'm thinking though by the end of all this, the devil we knew might have been the safer bet.....
    Sounds like you've been watching too much Fox News.

    A safe bet for our business interests maybe.

    The last two weeks 60 Minutes has done great pieces on the uprisings.

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