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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

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    !!!!!

    talk about old an fashioned paternalistic nearly colonial mentality. That seems to personify it.
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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    It certainly could go either way and for those that think new governments will be pro-Democracy in the sense we in the West understand it, is a bit naive. These countries may go through many such revolts and the turmoil may be years or even decades in some cases while those darker forces try to seize power and control from the people. The common mistake here is thinking that Libya or Morocco or Iran or Bharain will look like the War of Independence in the U.S.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is a valid point.

    Allow me to clarify - if we feel that our own people have the right of self determination and have the right to their own government of our own choosing - then we must also respect the rights of others all over the world to do the same.


    It's not self determination, when the mob dictates to all of the people, how much freedom they can enjoy. We are a representative republic, for the very reason of avoiding mob rule. I don't think comparing the revolts in the ME to "self determination" is quite accurate here.
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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This is going to end with a massive war between Islam and everybody else.
    I don't expect any such war anytime soon. The underlying factors leading to the unrest in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Bahrain, Iraq, etc., have their own domestic peculiarities. These are not simple Iran-style Islamic revolutions.

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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I don't expect any such war anytime soon. The underlying factors leading to the unrest in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Bahrain, Iraq, etc., have their own domestic peculiarities. These are not simple Iran-style Islamic revolutions.
    The religious nutjobs will take advantage of the initial chaos to install themselves as the dominant power in these new governments. We've seen it happen too many times, already. There's no reason to think that anything has changed.
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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    It's not self determination, when the mob dictates to all of the people, how much freedom they can enjoy. We are a representative republic, for the very reason of avoiding mob rule. I don't think comparing the revolts in the ME to "self determination" is quite accurate here.
    Especially when you look at the "revolutionairies" in the streets. It seems that 95 percent of the crowd is made up of 20-year-old men. You get the sense that the common citizenry fears these people in general.

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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    It's not self determination, when the mob dictates to all of the people, how much freedom they can enjoy. We are a representative republic, for the very reason of avoiding mob rule. I don't think comparing the revolts in the ME to "self determination" is quite accurate here.
    Ah -- the old tyranny of the majority argument. I agree. It can be a bitch to be in the minority when the majority doesn't respect your rights, and since the societies in question have no track record of pluralism, I think a wait and see attitude is called for.

    You are sounding down right liberal here, Rev.
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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Ah -- the old tyranny of the majority argument. I agree. It can be a bitch to be in the minority when the majority doesn't respect your rights, and since the societies in question have no track record of pluralism, I think a wait and see attitude is called for.

    You are sounding down right liberal here, Rev.




    Or pragmatic.


    I lived in the ME, I understand some of the nuances there. I am hoping for the best, but am a bit concerned with the entire region blowing up with these revolutions. It seems a bit.... planned?


    How this is liberal? I won't bother to ask.
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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    I think all of the speculation is a bit premature. Some of these nations may become democracies, but I would wager many are going to look like Somolia for awhile. In-fighting and other chaos may very well keep the region in turmoil for the next few years. Some of these nations may very well see the rise of a more brutal tyrant or regime than before. I never count the chickens before they hatch.

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    Re: Gaddafi flees Tripoli as protesters set the Libyan parliament building alight

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Or pragmatic.


    I lived in the ME, I understand some of the nuances there. I am hoping for the best, but am a bit concerned with the entire region blowing up with these revolutions. It seems a bit.... planned?

    How this is liberal? I won't bother to ask.
    QFT in bold.

    Why hasn't the media - any media - asked this question? Is this "spreading" or was it "orchestrated"?

    I have no idea, but no one is asking the question.....except the good Reverend.

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