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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Something to note, the NRA named 10 states as lacking a "right to carry" law. This is a list from the most recent FBI crime database, with those 10 stats highlighted.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...me-states.html

    The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence made a list of states with what they call lax gun control laws.

    Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : Media

    This group is also pretty well spread out across the violent crime list.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The kind of person who gets a CCW is not the kind of person who gets in a drunken stupor at frat parties. These are 2 different types of personalities; just like the gay who joins the military is not the kind of person who marches in the nude or cross-dressed in gay-pride parades.

    It is precisely because rowdy individuals bring the irresponsible consumption of liquor to the campus life that responsible individuals need to be able to properly defend themselves.

    It is precisely because every once in a while there is some insane lunatic who decides he wants to shoot up the school that the student body need to be permitted to train and carry the ability to defend themselves.

    And if you thing terrorists aren't targeting our middle schools, think again.



    Liquor stores aren't full of drunk people...at least not here...but I don't mind to much because the grocery store has better liquor prices anyway. You're typical CCW holder will even unload and secure their weapon before drinking at home. I speak from personal experience there.

    There was a push in SD to allow CCW holders to carry into bars and liquor stores, with the understanding that you still are not allowed to be legally intoxicated while carrying regardless of where you are. The bill failed as it didn't have enough support, but rumor has it it will be brought back up in the next year or two.
    I totally disagree with allowing concealed carry in bars, since alcohol greatly reduces the critical thinking ability needed to be responsible for carrying a weapon.

    CCW in bars? It's an insane idea.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I totally disagree with allowing concealed carry in bars, since alcohol greatly reduces the critical thinking ability needed to be responsible for carrying a weapon.

    CCW in bars? It's an insane idea.
    I'm not sure that if it were legal, how many would. I mean we essentially have that here, it's a bit CCW and open carry city; places have to announce being gun free. But even then, I hardly see anyone getting into gun fights at the bar or anything like that. I just don't think that the people who tend to CCW will conceal carry at a bar. And if they do, they haven't really caused a problem yet.

    Now if these were Greely folk, it would probably be an issue.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I totally disagree with allowing concealed carry in bars, since alcohol greatly reduces the critical thinking ability needed to be responsible for carrying a weapon.

    CCW in bars? It's an insane idea.
    When that legislation was pending, one point it's proponents had to constantly reiterate was that one still was not allowed to be legally intoxicated while carrying.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not sure that if it were legal, how many would. I mean we essentially have that here, it's a bit CCW and open carry city; places have to announce being gun free. But even then, I hardly see anyone getting into gun fights at the bar or anything like that. I just don't think that the people who tend to CCW will conceal carry at a bar. And if they do, they haven't really caused a problem yet.

    Now if these were Greely folk, it would probably be an issue.
    Indeed, as CCW holders are the most law-abiding, the kind of person who gets a CCW is not the kind of person who would get into a bar fight.

    IMO the bar is one place where the firearm is needed for personal defense precisely because of the presence of liquor.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Do we know if proper training won't be a requirement?

    If it's not, I'm with you.
    In SD we're moving away from requiring a permit at all.

    Given all the evidence demonstrating the benefit of an armed society, we view the requirement of a permit to exercise a specifically enumerated protected right as the equivalent of having to register your religion or get a permit to express a political opinion.

    It is already illegal for the state or vendors to keep a list or require registration of any firearm, in the interest of privacy. The move away from requiring a permit follows that line of thinking.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    I personally do not care if law-abiding, sane individuals in our society arm themselves, even with semi-automatic rifles and various handguns (standard clips). But when it comes to providing all manner of firearms to gangs and violent criminals (like alcoholics visiting a Liquor Warehouse store), I draw the line. Enough is enough.


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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I totally disagree with allowing concealed carry in bars, since alcohol greatly reduces the critical thinking ability needed to be responsible for carrying a weapon.

    CCW in bars? It's an insane idea.

    It's already been allowed in Tennessee. To my understanding there have been no problems to this point.

    The thing you have to remember is you can't legally drink AND pack. One or the other. Also, remember that those with bad intentions and no concern for the law are ALREADY ARMED at the bar.... and at the college campus.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoma View Post
    I personally do not care if law-abiding, sane individuals in our society arm themselves, even with semi-automatic rifles and various handguns (standard clips). But when it comes to providing all manner of firearms to gangs and violent criminals (like alcoholics visiting a Liquor Warehouse store), I draw the line. Enough is enough.


    Study: Crime Guns Bought At Shows - Sacramento News Story - KCRA Sacramento

    Regardless of one story about this subject, gun shows are not the problem. Buy a gun from a dealer, you do a NICS background check, period. The dealers know that any violations will cost them their license, and that the cops are hanging around lots of these shows too.

    Yes, PRIVATE sales at gun shows don't require a background check. Private sales ANYWHERE don't require one, at least not in most states. However, as someone who's sold a couple of guns in this manner, let me tell you I would never knowingly sell any gun to anyone I found the least bit suspicious, let alone an obvious gang-banger.

    Most guns used in crime are stolen guns, per FBI stats.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Assuming everyone in a bar gets drunk is like assuming everyone who marries has children.

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