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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK, get back to me when you've done that, then we'll talk about guns. Until then, let's be pragmatic. I think it's better if drunk college kids WEREN'T carrying guns when they decide to get in fights with each other.
    Why don't you look at campuses which allow concealed weapons and then tell us how many of those campuses have had drunk students shoot each other on campus with their legally carried concealed weapon?
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yep, Broseph Brosephson of Kappa Kappa Kappa is quite the patriot. He can easily fight state oppression with his musket while showing his frat brothers how much beer he can chug at the same time.
    So you're resorting to stereotypes and hyperbole to push a point?
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    What would you propose as more constitutional limitations? Or should we be allowed to open-carry anywhere?
    The bad guys are going to carry anyway. Why shouldn't law abiding good guys be able to protect themselves anywhere any time? Open carry, concealed carry, makes no difference to me. I'm not comfortable handling guns myself, but I appreciate the fact that those around me may have a gun.
    If some nut decides to go on a rampage when I'm out maybe he'll be shot before doing much damage.
    The only thing I feel bad about is, I'm not comfortable enough to protect myself and others with a weapon, and I'm just hoping someone else would.
    I'm against gun free zones. They only protect the bad guys.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Sex Ed, Drivers Ed, Firearms Ed, Home Ec./Budgeting should all be mandatory.
    At Dakota Tech (where there are no dorms an liquor is banned, and ruffly 10-20% of the student body are military), every student has to take the 3-day class and become certified in first aid and CPR. This class is on every curriculum and yes the student pays for it.

    A firearms safety class takes 3 days or less. One day of class room, one day at the range, then qualification. A hunters safety card/pistol qualification should likewise become a part of every curriculum.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    When you're banning the wrong behavior, of course it matters who's the problem.
    The fact is that many campuses have lots of alcohol on them, whether it's allowed or not. And as long as that remains the case, it's better to not have guns nearby.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    In my state it doesn't matter where you are, you simply are not allowed to be legally intoxicated while in possession of a firearm.

    Additionally, we aren't allowed to carry inside a business "who derive at least half their income from the sale of alcohol". This includes bars and liquor stores.
    Those seem like pretty reasonable laws to me. I'd add many college campuses to that list though for the same reason...they're full of drunk people. It's not a matter of trying to stamp out gun ownership everywhere, it's just a matter of preventing an easily-foreseeable situation from becoming deadly.

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    Have you been on a college campus? Drinking isn't allowed, or didn't you know?
    Depends where you go to school. I've attended four universities and none of them banned drinking. And even if they would have, I suspect that the ban wouldn't have had much of an effect on actual student behavior.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I'm conflicted on this one. Young people don't always show the best judgment.

    I worry about people who have no training in gun safety getting hurt of hurting someone else unintentionally.

    I have the same concerns about adults.

    If they know what they are doing, No problem.
    I have no problem with kids on campus owning guns, as long as they take a safety course, and get a concealed carry license.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The fact is that many campuses have lots of alcohol on them, whether it's allowed or not. And as long as that remains the case, it's better to not have guns nearby.



    Those seem like pretty reasonable laws to me. I'd add many college campuses to that list though for the same reason...they're full of drunk people. It's not a matter of trying to stamp out gun ownership everywhere, it's just a matter of preventing an easily-foreseeable situation from becoming deadly.



    Depends where you go to school. I've attended four universities and none of them banned drinking. And even if they would have, I suspect that the ban wouldn't have had much of an effect on actual student behavior.
    Just like gun free zones have very little effect on a criminal's behavior.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    I am for this. Obviously.


    You can bet VT wont happen there.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Just like gun free zones have very little effect on a criminal's behavior.
    Except I'm not talking about people who are normally considered "criminals," who carry guns with the deliberate intent to commit crimes. I'm talking about drunken frat morons who get into fights, and it's probably better if they didn't have a gun onhand at the time.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Except I'm not talking about people who are normally considered "criminals," who carry guns with the deliberate intent to commit crimes. I'm talking about drunken frat morons who get into fights, and it's probably better if they didn't have a gun onhand at the time.
    So you make assumptions, stereotypes, and hyperbole to make an argument against allowing guns on campus. Can you make an argument against it using sound logic, numbers, and rational thought? There are campuses that allows guns to be carried on campus. THere are campuses which allow alcohol on campus. And there are campuses that do both. How about some stats instead of your assumptions? You got any of that? Or do you still have nothing?
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