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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Wow, that's news to me.
    Many states laws mimic federal laws in cases like these, I only know because I went through the process of buying one recently, and because a friend of mine is in law school and mentioned that interesting tidbit.

    State laws have all kinds of funky stuff going on. For instance, while it is illegal to consume alcohol in my state if you are under the age of 21 there is an exception if it is at home under parent supervision, or if performed by a recognized church official.

    As it turns out, anyone who is an "Ordained Minister" can (arguably) be counted as a recognized church official. A few years back I had a girlfriend who was an ordained minister, meaning that she was legally allowed to hold house parties, as long as she was the one serving the alcohol.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The belligerent drunks are the problem, not the CCW holders.
    It doesn't really matter who the problem is, the point is that a campus full of alcohol and guns is a tragedy waiting to happen. If you view the alcohol (rather than the guns) as being the primary problem and know of a way to prevent college students who want to drink from drinking, let's deal with that first. THEN maybe we can talk about having guns on campus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    Also, regarding proper training, keep in mind that a number of those students have the Military Science minor (an optional path to become an officer), and believe me that counts.
    I don't know much about proper training, but in any case it's irrelevant to my objection. The reason I'm opposed to guns on most residential campuses is the same reason that I don't think people should be allowed to bring a gun into a bar or club: the alcohol.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ask the victim of a drunk driver that and let's see their response.
    *shrug* My mother was killed by a drunk driver. That doesn't change the fact that the weapon used to kill her was a car, not liquor.

    I still argue that guns are more inherently dangerous than alcohol, even if it is simply because there are more steps from A to B (i.e. Getting Drunk, Deciding to Drive, Smashing into someone vs. Not treating a weapon with the respect it deserves.)

    There's also the whole thing of having to pass a test to get a car, the murder weapon in that example. While it may not be a particularly difficult one, it is still more than is required to obtain a handgun.

    Even though driving deaths are more common than firearm deaths, that can be explained by widespread daily use. I'm sure if a majority portion of the population used handguns daily for extended periods of time, there would be more gun related death than vehicle ones.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I never drank until college. Neither did most of my friends...



    I'm not suggesting they shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. Just don't bring it on campus.



    Nor would I (at least for rural high schools). That's a completely different situation than a campus atmosphere where students regularly party and get drunk.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed, unless there's a chance alcoholic beverages will ever be in vicinity.
    What would you propose as more constitutional limitations? Or should we be allowed to open-carry anywhere?
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Good for TX. Making Schools a Gun free zone is ridiculous. It just the makes the Students easier targets for Criminals. The carnage of recent schools shooting could have been reduce if the people on the campus had the ability to return fire.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    What would you propose as more constitutional limitations? Or should we be allowed to open-carry anywhere?
    Yes we should.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The reason I'm opposed to guns on most residential campuses is the same reason that
    I don't think people should be allowed to bring a gun into a bar or club: the alcohol.
    Gun, bar, club, campuses, car and alcohol don't kill people.
    People kill people.

    There are some country where guns are illegal N' prohibited.
    But still people kill people there using knife or whatever they got.

    We human are a killing machine.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    I still argue that guns are more inherently dangerous than alcohol
    Alcohol is only dangerous when you the individual misuse it excessively.
    Gun are dangerous only if you the individual decide to pull the trigger N' kill someone.

    And if someone truly want you dead.. gun or no gun...
    they'll seek a way to kill you some how.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed, unless there's a chance alcoholic beverages will ever be in vicinity.
    Yep, Broseph Brosephson of Kappa Kappa Kappa is quite the patriot. He can easily fight state oppression with his musket while showing his frat brothers how much beer he can chug at the same time.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    If they have the same training as professional soldiers, I'm cool with it.
    I'm of the opinion that everyone should be trained in the safe handling and use of weapons. As a mandatory class in high school.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    But having every 18-19 yr old on campus carry a piece in his/her backpack is enough to make me wary. The professors and administrators, sure... but again, there should be a licensing process for concealed weapons that assures everyone who carries one knows how to use it.
    Even that would be a step in the right direction; as it stands now, professional academics are disarmed the same as students.

    And I would point out that these 18 and 19 year olds are adults; we cannot deny them their rights as adults.

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