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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

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    Then shame on them and their professors. Money and time is being wasted.
    How the students decide to spend their time is up to them.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

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    How the students decide to spend their time is up to them.
    Maybe, but I can still pointout that's a shame they waste it.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

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    No one needs to be armed.
    Five South Dakota lawmakers have introduced legislation that would require any adult 21 or older to buy a firearm “sufficient to provide for their ordinary self-defense.”

    The bill, which would take effect Jan. 1, 2012, would give people six months to acquire a firearm after turning 21. The provision does not apply to people who are barred from owning a firearm.

    Bill would require all S.D. citizens to buy a gun | The Argus Leader | argusleader.com
    Having a firearm is like having catastrophic life insurance. Hopefully, I'll never have to use it, but if in the rare and unlikely event I need it, it's there.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

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    Having a firearm is like having catastrophic life insurance. Hopefully, I'll never have to use it, but if in the rare and unlikely event I need it, it's there.
    It's nothing of the kind.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

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    It's nothing of the kind.
    Except that it is.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Except that it is.
    No, it isn't. Look at those accidental shootings again. Some insurance policy let me tell ya.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it isn't.
    Yes, it is.

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    Look at those accidental shootings again.
    Look at the data in the OP again, notice how, in every singe instance, when firearms are carried by the public, crime goes down....a lot. Every time.

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    Some insurance policy let me tell ya.
    It sure the hell is.....saved me from a street fight at 3am in an ally the other day, at least.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes, it is.



    Look at the data in the OP again, notice how, in every singe instance, when firearms are carried by the public, crime goes down....a lot. Every time.



    It sure the hell is.....saved me from a street fight at 3am in an ally the other day, at least.
    Read your study again, they cannot say that violence went down everywhere because of guns being available. And they did not look at every single instance. You may recall the Brady bill. Do you know crime went down after the Brady bill? It did. And liberals said, "see the Brady bill proves that limiting guns reduces crime." Back then I had to argue with them that they were making the same mistake you are. It's called a causal relationship error. The fact is crime has been mostly going down for a while. And it is likely for a number of different reasons. But to prove causality, you need more than a came before b so as the cause.

    but, no, it isn't. An inusrance policy that a significant number hurt themself with isn't much of an insurance policy.
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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Read your study again, they cannot say that violence went down everywhere because of guns being available. And they did not look at every single instance. You may recall the Brady bill. Do you know crime went down after the Brady bill? It did. And liberals said, "see the Brady bill proves that limiting guns reduces crime." Back then I had to argue with them that they were making the same mistake you are. It's called a causal relationship error. The fact is crime has been mostly going down for a while. And it is likely for a number of different reasons. But to prove causality, you need more than a came before b so as the cause.

    but, no, it isn't. An inusrance policy that a significant number hurt themself with isn't much of an insurance policy.
    Well as soon as you proves a causality fallacy occurred.....

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

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    I asked what would you consider substanization.
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    More recent cases which reverses belatedly reverses this bystander approach and is gradually, but slowly working towards a more rational approach towards campus safety issues.
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    And it is true, here I draw on personal experience of working on an ambulence for a decade and seeing people shoot themselves a lot.
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    But, I don't think it takes a study to know we don't know, use or work with guns like did once upon a time.
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    I guess it's equal then as I don't understand this coment.
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    Which has nothing to do with any pointed you're responding to.
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    A lot of people don't know the tool well as evidenced not only by personal exience, but by satisitics that show a large number of people hurting not criminals, but themselves.
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    Giving them guns is not wise to carry around at school is not wise.
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    Some drive to fast in bad whether
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    I don't anyone who has studied guns in the classroom.
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    And while I agree with the numbers won't be high, sooner or later someone will make a mistake.
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    I see as no less nonsensical as car surfing.
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    Yes, they are allowed to drink, and do so less responsibilty than older more mature populations.
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    Yes, they are allowed to drive, but do so less responsibily than older more mature populations.
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    We than then logically predict that they will treat weapons less responsibily than older more mature populations.
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    As overwhelming guns have not been allowed in classrooms, we don't have much to count as accidents with them there.
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    The more states involved, further removed from rural America, and I think you will see more and more problems.
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    I have no emotional attach to any tool.
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    It's not that guns in and of them self are bad or a problem
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    Jerry, as for average age, averages are effected by many factors.
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    I buy neither guns will save us or destory us.
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    Many seem to have never seen Malow's hieracy of needs.
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    As long as I can remember both sides have taken rulings to be major and definitavie, but in the end, they weren't.
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    Assumption based on information concerning maturity level and documented cases of young people being irresponsible with their adult responsibilities.
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    This is just the facts
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    That said, there would be studies as there is no wide spread group to study.
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    The Harvard study showed next to know difference they could prove.
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    It is if someone shoots themself.
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    Guns are in and of themselfs a risk.
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    Never said they did anything on there own.
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    There is also no need for one or any purpose for one, and making it a needless risk.
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    An inusrance policy that a significant number hurt themself with isn't much of an insurance policy.
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    Money and time is being wasted.
    you teach?

    LOL!
    Last edited by The Prof; 03-03-11 at 07:19 PM.

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