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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's one way to ignore the evidence, though I could have added more flair.
    I hear this every time I have this debate -- I hear about this elusive evidence supporting more liberal gun laws, but I never see it. I see an article, here and there, which usually devolves into fallacies and ad hominem attacks by the second sentence -- but evidence, I see none.

    For my position, though, I have the weight of the world. I want to ask you to explain these simple figures to me, in the context of gun control laws:

    In the United States, there are, on average, 11,000 violent gun crimes per year.
    In the United Kingdom, there are, on average, 70 violent gun crimes per year.

    The United States has a population of 300 million.
    The United Kingdom has a population of 70 million.

    The United States has the most lax gun laws in the developed world. The United States has the highest violent gun crime rate of any nation on Earth. The United Kingdom has some of the most tight gun control laws on Earth. The United Kingdom has the lowest violent gun crime rates of any major nation on Earth ('major' excluding states like Vatican City, Luxembourg, etc.).

    Explain this to me.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I hear this every time I have this debate -- I hear about this elusive evidence supporting more liberal gun laws, but I never see it. I see an article, here and there, which usually devolves into fallacies and ad hominem attacks by the second sentence -- but evidence, I see none.
    Like I said, you ignored the OP.

    Feel free to bring an sourced argument, if in fact you have one.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Ha! It just occurred to me that I can't carry into Chucky-Cheese, as they serve alcohol.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Allowing firearms on campus can only be a good thing.

    EDITORIAL: Guns decrease murder rates



    Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive



    Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Criminals generally want easy targets. Having a gun makes you a harder target. When you're in a population which carries, you are safer even if you don't carry a gun yourself, because a criminal has no way of knowing if you're carrying concealed or not and doesn't want to risk finding out the hard way.


    Pistol: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    Rifle: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    Automatic rifle: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? No.
    Grenade launcher: In common use at the time? Yes. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.
    Patriot missile battery: In common use at the time? No. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.
    Nuclear warheads: In common use at the time? No. Is dangerous and unusual? Yes.

    Tanks are not weapons. Tanks are vehicles weapons can be mounted in, but anyone with enough money to buy one can own one. That doesn't mean you can have a functioning cannon, 50cal machine gun, 2 saw machine guns, or grenades...it means you can ave the tank and the tank only.

    You can own a black hawk helicopter, also...doesn't mean you can have the twin mini-guns.

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    We're talking about citizens 21 years of age and older, who also have a CCW, carrying a pistol on campus.
    Dumb. Real Dumb. Guns are not a cure all. And young folks, even at 21 too often are not as mature as we'd all like.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Dumb. Real Dumb. Guns are not a cure all. And young folks, even at 21 too often are not as mature as we'd all like.
    I can't think of one cure-all......for anything......can you?
    Last edited by Jerry; 02-22-11 at 11:00 PM.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I can't think of one cure-all......for anything......can you?
    Nope. But I can think of problems with guns in the classroom. I see people everyday I wouldn't trust with a spoon let alone a gun. I don't take my backhoe to church, and I wouldn't take a gun to school. Tools have a place and purpose.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I hear this every time I have this debate -- I hear about this elusive evidence supporting more liberal gun laws, but I never see it. I see an article, here and there, which usually devolves into fallacies and ad hominem attacks by the second sentence -- but evidence, I see none.

    For my position, though, I have the weight of the world. I want to ask you to explain these simple figures to me, in the context of gun control laws:

    In the United States, there are, on average, 11,000 violent gun crimes per year.
    In the United Kingdom, there are, on average, 70 violent gun crimes per year.

    The United States has a population of 300 million.
    The United Kingdom has a population of 70 million.

    The United States has the most lax gun laws in the developed world. The United States has the highest violent gun crime rate of any nation on Earth. The United Kingdom has some of the most tight gun control laws on Earth. The United Kingdom has the lowest violent gun crime rates of any major nation on Earth ('major' excluding states like Vatican City, Luxembourg, etc.).

    Explain this to me.
    I'm quoting this again, because the OP ignored it.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nope.
    Then I guess I don't understand your point in saying that guns are not a cure all, as though they need to be, if we agree that cure-alls don't exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But I can think of problems with guns in the classroom. I see people everyday I wouldn't trust with a spoon let alone a gun. I don't take my backhoe to church, and I wouldn't take a gun to school. Tools have a place and purpose.
    Ok, but I would, so what evidence do you have that demonstrates why I should not be allowed?
    Last edited by Jerry; 02-22-11 at 11:30 PM.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Like I said, you ignored the OP.

    Feel free to bring an sourced argument, if in fact you have one.
    I'm quoting this again, because the Le Marteau ignored it.

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    Re: Texas poised to pass bill allowing guns on campus

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Just when you think society has hit the bottom of the barrel, you discover that someone has been working feverishly to dig out a new basement under it.
    anyone know what this is in reference to?



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