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Hundreds of Libyans shot down

Life doesn't have real value over here either. We just pretend it does. Our forefathers killed countless Native Americans in order to expand this country. Up until 50 years ago American companies were financing the murder of Guatemalans and Salvadoreans. In the 80s we funded guerrilla groups and dictators who killed their people. The notion that the West has a monopoly over valuing life is laughable.


Hmmm....How can you live with yourself having to live in such an unfair place as the United States....Man, you should move to where it is more just.



j-mac
 
Hmmm....How can you live with yourself having to live in such an unfair place as the United States....Man, you should move to where it is more just.

j-mac


Yeah somewhere social justice occurs without hesitation, where everything is fair and good and prosperous. Where everyone is the same, where everyone get's paid the same but where everyone also doesn't have to work if they don't want to and they still get paid. Where some giant good, fair and honest central group takes care of everyone's needs for all things, and life is pansy's and fun and never has any pain or hurt, where everyone laughs all the time and frolics through green meadows with butterflies and little birds are our friends and sing for us all while sitting on our fingers.
 
Hmmm....How can you live with yourself having to live in such an unfair place as the United States....Man, you should move to where it is more just.



j-mac

You missed the point. It's just that Americans should stop acting like their **** doesn't stink.
 
You missed the point. It's just that Americans should stop acting like their **** doesn't stink.


I missed nothing. Look, I will not be the first one to say that America in the past hasn't done some extreme unjust things in the formation of this country, and the things that point to that history are also the things that make us the greatest country on the face of the earth, for the simple reason that although these things were horrible, and did happen, we saw that, acknowledged it, tried to correct it, and moved forward without continuing it. The problem is that liberals that at every turn take opportunity to bash this country ad nauseam over these transgressions without prefacing it with the good we have done here, and around the world through out time are just ingrates that if they truly feel that way they should disassociate themselves with such wrongs by finding a place to live that more accurately mirrors their own view of how things should be.

To draw lively hood, and freedom from a place that you find so distasteful that you must dredge up disingenuous talk point blather from prof's like Ward Chruchill yet still take advantage of the fruits of that particular geographical location is beyond hypocritical, it is a lie, and from a undeveloped mind that has been polluted by the imagination of destructive forces from within this country.


j-mac
 
Amazing what influence did one single Tunisian man have on the Muslim world. I didn't think I'd get to see this in my lifetime.
 
Amazing what influence did one single Tunisian man have on the Muslim world. I didn't think I'd get to see this in my lifetime.

Can't wait for Israel to fall.
 
Just Israel or all the jews too?

Oh boy. You are a racist for saying that. I was talking about Israel and that has nothing to do with any religion.
 
Oh boy. You are a racist for saying that. I was talking about Israel and that has nothing to do with any religion.

I'm asking a question of YOU, to help clarify your position. You seem to have something against Israel, I just wondered if you have something against Israeli's as well. You apparently don't want to answer so I guess that's a "yes". :shrug:
 
I'm asking a question of YOU, to help clarify your position. You seem to have something against Israel, I just wondered if you have something against Israeli's as well. You apparently don't want to answer so I guess that's a "yes". :shrug:

Obviously you can't read. I said ISRAEL and not the ISRAELIS
 
Oh boy. You are a racist for saying that. I was talking about Israel and that has nothing to do with any religion.

So we all understand. You are calling for the fall of the Jewish State, what do you mean by that? The government is an elected democracy, so who should it fall to?

It should be interesting to hear this one.
 
I missed nothing. Look, I will not be the first one to say that America in the past hasn't done some extreme unjust things in the formation of this country, and the things that point to that history are also the things that make us the greatest country on the face of the earth, for the simple reason that although these things were horrible, and did happen, we saw that, acknowledged it, tried to correct it, and moved forward without continuing it. The problem is that liberals that at every turn take opportunity to bash this country ad nauseam over these transgressions without prefacing it with the good we have done here, and around the world through out time are just ingrates that if they truly feel that way they should disassociate themselves with such wrongs by finding a place to live that more accurately mirrors their own view of how things should be.

To draw lively hood, and freedom from a place that you find so distasteful that you must dredge up disingenuous talk point blather from prof's like Ward Chruchill yet still take advantage of the fruits of that particular geographical location is beyond hypocritical, it is a lie, and from a undeveloped mind that has been polluted by the imagination of destructive forces from within this country.


j-mac

What 'correcting' have we done in El Salvador and Guatemala? What 'correcting' have we done in Liberia? Maybe you could point out some of these corrections in Cambodia? The only corrections the West has made are in Israel and that was over Christian guilt at nearly 1500 years of Jewish oppression by Europeans. Look how that turned out. The Conservative mindset and by extension the European is one where it simply avoids actually discussing the issue of the wrongs done to Africans, South Americans and Asians. Instead it chooses to believe that 'wrongs were corrected'. No, they simply weren't. You can't correct millions of dead people with foreign aid. You can't correct years of proxy oppression by buying fruit at higher rates. That's not how the world works.

The best part is that you take 'move somewhere else' as some sort of actual argument. Why should I move somewhere else? Why don't we instead incarcerate apologists of Western oppression like yourself? That would probably fix the revisionism and ignorance that goes on in this country. However, it's anti-constitutional to oppress the ignorant and changing that would take too long constitutionally. One thing is certain though, Western apologists are as disgusting as their Islamic counterparts. Both claim a supremacy over morality. Both claim their intentions are best. Both are unwilling to admit that they have done nothing to actually 'correct' their mistakes.
 
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What 'correcting' have we done in El Salvador and Guatemala? What 'correcting' have we done in Liberia? Maybe you could point out some of these corrections in Cambodia? The only corrections the West has made are in Israel and that was over Christian guilt at nearly 1500 years of Jewish oppression by Europeans. Look how that turned out. The Conservative mindset and by extension the European is one where it simply avoids actually discussing the issue of the wrongs done to Africans, South Americans and Asians. Instead it chooses to believe that 'wrongs were corrected'. No, they simply weren't. You can't correct millions of dead people with foreign aid. You can't correct years of proxy oppression by buying fruit at higher rates. That's not how the world works.

The best part is that you take 'move somewhere else' as some sort of actual argument. Why should I move somewhere else? Why don't we instead incarcerate apologists of Western oppression like yourself? That would probably fix the revisionism and ignorance that goes on in this country. However, it's anti-constitutional to oppress the ignorant and changing that would take too long constitutionally. One thing is certain though, Western apologists are as disgusting as their Islamic counterparts. Both claim a supremacy over morality. Both claim their intentions are best. Both are unwilling to admit that they have done nothing to actually 'correct' their mistakes.

The Soviets weren't able to establish a foothold and deploy nukes and heavy divisions, in preperation for an invasion of North America.

One thing is certain though, Western apologists are as disgusting as their Islamic counterparts.

Like Obama, you mean?
 
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Can't wait for Israel to fall.

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This thread is NOT about Israel. Derail again, and you will be booted from the thread... at the least.
 
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lethal force against unarmed protestors is disgusting, no matter where it is.

somebodys brothers, uncles, cousins, boyfriends, sons, fathers.

just horrible.




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This is an awful situation and it will only get wose before it gets better.

If the people had the right to "KEEP AND BARE ARMS" the outcome would be much different.

At least they could fight back.

If those people had that right, they'd all be dead. As soon as people start firing back at soldiers, it stops being uneasy soldiers firing at crowds unahppily because they feel threatened, and it starts being professional soldiers shooting down insurgents left and right.

It is incredibly foolish to think that having a gun would have helped anyone here.

As a former military man, I can tell you with absolute surety that soldiers will always win against civilians. Soldiers have the equipment, the training, the back-up, the comms. Civilians have an old gun that might scare a blagger but looks like a joke compared to a well-kept assault rifle, let alone a tank.

If a foreign power were to occupy the United States, the only thing that would come of all the guns lying around your nation is a grossly inflated civilian death toll. Sorry, but it's true -- ask anyone with military experience.
 
If those people had that right, they'd all be dead. As soon as people start firing back at soldiers, it stops being uneasy soldiers firing at crowds unahppily because they feel threatened, and it starts being professional soldiers shooting down insurgents left and right.

It is incredibly foolish to think that having a gun would have helped anyone here.

As a former military man, I can tell you with absolute surety that soldiers will always win against civilians. Soldiers have the equipment, the training, the back-up, the comms. Civilians have an old gun that might scare a blagger but looks like a joke compared to a well-kept assault rifle, let alone a tank.

If a foreign power were to occupy the United States, the only thing that would come of all the guns lying around your nation is a grossly inflated civilian death toll. Sorry, but it's true -- ask anyone with military experience.

Maybe. But the last time a foreign power tried to occupy the United States, all those guns lying around came in pretty handy. We won. :mrgreen:
 
Maybe. But the last time a foreign power tried to occupy the United States, all those guns lying around came in pretty handy. We won. :mrgreen:

When was that? XD

As I recall, the American War of Independence was won by the French, and the War of 1812, you lost.

In fact, even in your own Civil War, the individualistic, rural, independent South was overrun by the industrialised North, even though nearly every Southern male from 16 to 40 owned a gun and tried to fight the Yankees.

Again, it's not a comforting thought, but your own history shows, better than any generalisation I could make -- owning your own guns will simply get you killed, and it does nothing to stop the enemy.
 
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