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    Re: Hundreds of Libyans shot down

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Is that what they've been teaching you Brits in history class?
    Technically he's right. We wouldn't have won the Revolutionary War without France. Then again, France would probably be speaking German at this point if it weren't for us.

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    Re: Hundreds of Libyans shot down

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Technically he's right. We wouldn't have won the Revolutionary War without France. Then again, France would probably be speaking German at this point if it weren't for us.
    I'd probably vote for Russian instead of German, actually.

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    Re: Hundreds of Libyans shot down

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I'd probably vote for Russian instead of German, actually.
    The Russian language is way sexier, I'll give you that.

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    Re: Hundreds of Libyans shot down

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The Russian language is way sexier, I'll give you that.
    Hehe, appreciate it. But I simply meant that, if the Brits, Americans, Canadians and Free French hadn't landed in Normandy and began pushing East towards Germany, the Red Army would've gobbled up the entire continent, from the Ukraine to the Bay of Biscay and the English Channel. Thus, the French would not have been under German rule had the Anglosphere Allies not been able to invade France, they would have been under Soviet rule.

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    Re: Hundreds of Libyans shot down

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    We wouldn't have won the Revolutionary War without France.
    not in '81, it's true, not at yorktown

    cornwallis was driven mad chasing greene and danny morgan across carolina

    burgoyne lost an army at saratoga in '77, and clinton was forced outta philly in the spring of '78

    the notion that the french won the war is ludicrous

    it was just a matter of time---look at hickory in oreans in '14

    the only way the patriots coulda lost is by quitting, and that warn't gonna happen

    back to the topic---libya

    does anyone remember what it was like to have a foreign policy run by adults?

    LIBYA TO GIVE UP ARMS PROGRAMS - NYTimes.com

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    Re: Hundreds of Libyans shot down

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    not in '81, it's true, not at yorktown

    cornwallis was driven mad chasing greene and danny morgan across carolina

    burgoyne lost an army at saratoga in '77, and clinton was forced outta philly in the spring of '78

    the notion that the french won the war is ludicrous

    it was just a matter of time---look at hickory in oreans in '14

    the only way the patriots coulda lost is by quitting, and that warn't gonna happen

    back to the topic---libya

    does anyone remember what it was like to have a foreign policy run by adults?

    LIBYA TO GIVE UP ARMS PROGRAMS - NYTimes.com
    Try to take a look at a history book some time. Then go buy some common sense pills from the general provisioner's, and get back to us.








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    Take a look at this, I posted this on the last page, but it got lost.


    And what do they teach you? That Washington and a few militiamen stood up to the might of the British Empire and won? XD Take a look at the history books -- even those in the States, I think. Washington's only two victories before French intervention were when he snuck across the Delaware on Christmas Eve and murdered a bunch of Germans in their drunken sleep. Even Washington rights, in well-publicised letters, that his cause would be lost if the French didn't step in. That's why the Marquis de Lafayette was Washington's right-hand man -- Washington needed to impress France, because only French aide could turn the tide against Britain.

    Which is exactly what happened. France sent thousands of pounds worth of material aid, about 8000 soldiers (which was, I might add, a huge amount at the time and larger than the regular Colonial army), and its fleet. In fact, France sent so much aide to the colonies, just to piss off Britain, that it nearly bankrupted itself and set the stage for the French Revolution to occur shortly after.

    It's fact. France is the reason you're a nation today. Why do people deny this? Where's the shame in that?
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    Re: Hundreds of Libyans shot down

    tell it to pakenham

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    Re: Hundreds of Libyans shot down

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    tell it to pakenham
    Look, I understand the feeling of patriotism, and I, as a Brit, have great pride in my country, just as you have great pride in yours. It's always great to celebrate the victories, commemorate the dead, support the living, and remember the losses -- that, as a package, is what makes history so important. So why do some people, not just Americans, choose to re-write aspects of their own history? There's no reason to be ashamed of your losses, just as there's no reason to be ashamed of your victories. We all win, and we all lose. America has lost wars, just as it has won wars. America has needed foreign aide, and it has also given it. What's the problem? Why don't you want to admit something like "France helped America in its War for Independence"? Where's the problem?

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    Re: Hundreds of Libyans shot down

    france helped america win the war

    happy?

    the notion that france won the war is ludicrous

    sad?

    ask pakenham, ask keane, ask admiral cochrane

    read that book, now

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    Re: Hundreds of Libyans shot down

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    And what do they teach you? That Washington and a few militiamen stood up to the might of the British Empire and won? XD Take a look at the history books -- even those in the States, I think. Washington's only two victories before French intervention were when he snuck across the Delaware on Christmas Eve and murdered a bunch of Germans in their drunken sleep. Even Washington rights, in well-publicised letters, that his cause would be lost if the French didn't step in. That's why the Marquis de Lafayette was Washington's right-hand man -- Washington needed to impress France, because only French aide could turn the tide against Britain.

    Which is exactly what happened. France sent thousands of pounds worth of material aid, about 8000 soldiers (which was, I might add, a huge amount at the time and larger than the regular Colonial army), and its fleet. In fact, France sent so much aide to the colonies, just to piss off Britain, that it nearly bankrupted itself and set the stage for the French Revolution to occur shortly after.

    It's fact. France is the reason you're a nation today. Why do people deny this? Where's the shame in that?
    What history books are you even reading? Revisionist....

    Trenton, Princeton, Bennington, Saratoga, Kings mountain, Cowpens and of course Yorktown. These were all major batttles of the Revolution won by the Americans & only Yorktown had any major French presence.

    Also... Have ever heard of the battle of New Orleans? apparently not.....

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