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House blocks funding for health care law

Catawba said:
What excellent data! I had not seen this. Too bad you didn't comprehend what you were reading. H.R. 2 is the GOP bill to repeal health care, but were you correct when you stated it would reduce revenues by 770 billion over the next ten years.

Excellent point for keeping the health care bill! Thanks!!!!! :sun
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Because it repeals the taxes and fines, no doubt.
 
your emphasis:

Without offsets, further erosion of corporate tax revenues—either through lower statutory tax rates or through special preferences—would expand the already wide and growing income inequality in the United States.

income equality is a petty minded goal, it's resentful and divisive, it pits one group of americans against another

grow up
 
The Prof said:
yup, hr2---repeal---would eliminate more than three quarters of a T in new taxes, fines, fees and mandates

ie, revenue

you got it

LOL!
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reefedjib said:
Because it repeals the taxes and fines, no doubt.
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I must have missed that part in the CBO report. Please quote it for us. Thanks!
 
The Prof said:
income equality is a petty minded goal, it's resentful and divisive, it pits one group of americans against another
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The class war began under Reagan when he slashed the progressive taxes.

"'There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning." - Warren Buffett

You can only try to squeeze so much blood from the middle class before we begin to fight back.
 
Catawba said:
I must have missed that part in the CBO report. Please quote it for us. Thanks!
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But PPACA and the Reconciliation Act also included a number of provisions to reduce federal outlays (primarily for Medicare) and to increase federal revenues (mostly by increasing the Hospital Insurance payroll tax and imposing fees on certain manufacturers and insurers); in March, CBO and JCT estimated that those provisions unrelated to insurance coverage would, on balance, reduce direct spending by about $500 billion and increase revenues by about $410 billion over the 2012–2019 period.

If that legislation was repealed, such reductions in spending and increases in revenues would not occur. Thus, H.R. 2 would, on net, increase federal deficits over that period.
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I have no idea how the Healthcare Bill is saying that it will reduce federal outlays of Medicare, when I thought that it was INCREASING Medicare coverage. Something funny is going on, here. Are they reducing or capping Medicare benefits?

The Hospital Insurance payroll tax and imposing fines generates $410 billion over 7 years and that is including at least 2 years (prior to 2014) where it is not in full effect.

The whole Healthcare Bill is fishy.
 
Catawba said:
I must have missed that part in the CBO report.
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hardly uplifting

LOL!

from the cbo link:

Extrapolating the estimated budgetary effects of the original health care legislation and accounting for the effects of subsequent legislation, CBO anticipates that enacting H.R. 2 would probably yield, for the 2012-2021 period, a reduction in revenues in the neighborhood of $770 billion
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Catawba said:
You can only try to squeeze so much blood from the middle class before we begin to fight back.
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who do you think voted in november the greatest house turnover since 1938, most state reps and leg's in history, 20 gubs, 6 senators?

you're far outta touch

too stuck in your narrow agenda to look around, evidently

the expression was pretty loud and clear

ie, awfully hard to miss
 
The Prof said:
from the cbo link:
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Fail. We've already seen this. That is one of the reasons we support the health care bill. What I asked for was a quote from the CBO report to back up your claim that the increase revenues projected by the CBO are from taxes and fees.
 
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reefedjib said:
The whole Healthcare Bill is fishy.
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yes, it massively expands medicare while cutting its already overstrained funding a full HALF TRIL

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

it expands medicaid by millions and dumps the expense on already bankrupt states

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

sebelius exempted hundreds of too bigs from obamacare's yearly cap requirements

Helping Americans Keep the Coverage They Have and Promoting Transparency | HHS.gov

hhs knows if it doesn't let em go they'll dump coverage

how many times did ahab obama promise americans they could keep their coverage if they like it

obamacare also raises taxes more than THREE QUARTERS OF A T

how many times did ahab avow he would never raises taxes on anyone under 200K

it stinks, alright
 
The Prof said:
who do you think voted in november the greatest house turnover since 1938, most state reps and leg's in history, 20 gubs, 6 senators?

you're far outta touch

too stuck in your narrow agenda to look around, evidently

the expression was pretty loud and clear

ie, awfully hard to miss
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And you think that wasn't due to the effects of the recession?
 
Catawba said:
What I asked for was a quote from the CBO report to back up your claim that the increase revenues projected by the CBO are from taxes and fees.
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LOL!

where do you think the more than THREE QUARTERS OF A TRIL are gonna come from?

grow up
 
Catawba said:
And you think that wasn't due to the effects of the recession?
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LOL!

as if voters didn't know what they were getting from the party of NO relative to obamacare
 
The Prof said:
yes, it massively expands medicare while cutting its already overstrained funding a full HALF TRIL

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

it expands medicaid by millions and dumps the expense on already bankrupt states

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

sebelius exempted hundreds of too bigs from obamacare's yearly cap requirements

Helping Americans Keep the Coverage They Have and Promoting Transparency | HHS.gov

hhs knows if it doesn't let em go they'll dump coverage

how many times did ahab obama promise americans they could keep their coverage if they like it

obamacare also raises taxes more than THREE QUARTERS OF A T

how many times did ahab avow he would never raises taxes on anyone under 200K

it stinks, alright
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I see no statement anywhere from the CBO.
 
The Prof said:
LOL!

as if voters didn't know what they were getting from the party of NO relative to obamacare
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The voters have said they don't want the health care bill defunded, they want jobs. But what has been the thrust of the GOP, tax cuts for the rich, cutting abortion funding for rape and incest, and defunding healthcare. I don't think this will be lost on voters in 2012.
 
Catawba said:
what has been the thrust of the GOP
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LOL!

you have to ask

the thrust has been exactly what voters expected from the party of NO when it was so historically rewarded on tsunami tuesday

grow up
 
Catawba said:
I see no statement anywhere from the CBO.
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The CBO is a generally unreliable source for numbers. They only can use the information given them, so they can not objectively process accurate predictions beyond the scope of what they are handed.


j-mac
 
i've already posted the cbo link twice

even according to doug elmendorf, who is forced to score whatever crap is submitted to him, OBAMACARE RAISES TAXES ON AMERICANS MORE THAN THREE QUARTERS OF A TRILLION DOLLARS

deal with it, libs

it's all YOURS
 
j-mac said:
The CBO is a generally unreliable source for numbers. They only can use the information given them, so they can not objectively process accurate predictions beyond the scope of what they are handed.


j-mac
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The CBO is the most non-partisan authoritative source on the issue. And, unlike other groups, they have direct access to all of the government's financial records.
 
Catawba said:
The CBO is the most non-partisan authoritative source on the issue. And, unlike other groups, they have direct access to all of the government's financial records.
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Access, and being able to use facts from them is another thing. Do you even know how the CBO scores things?


j-mac
 
Catawba said:
Personally, I think lower deficits and more affordable health care are a good thing. But that's just me.
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Except that neither of those is a likely outcome of Obamacare.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Access, and being able to use facts from them is another thing. Do you even know how the CBO scores things?
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Just look at the high praise for the CBO by the GOP:

"Grassley: CBO is Independent, Makes Decisions "Based Upon Facts." In an appearance on Fox News Channel's "Your World with Neil Cavuto," Senator Chuck Grassley said, "Elmendorf is responsible to the Congress. He should do nothing that compromises his responsibility to the Congress.....I said to him, you know, you're an independent person, you're supposed to be independent. How long it takes you to do your job is no concern of mine. The only concern I have is that you're intellectually honest and you make decisions based upon the facts and not because of Republican or Democrat pressure. And I think he's done that." ["Your World with Neil Cavuto," FOX News, 7/22/09]

Sessions Used CBO to Defend His Opposition to the Stimulus, Described CBO as "Nonpartisan Witnesses." In an interview on Fox News Channel's "Your World with Neil Cavuto," Senator Sessions said, "Well, I think we need to be cautious. I don't say it won't work. I think at the hearing today, CBO basically said - " Mr. Cavuto interrupted to clarify and said, "We should say CBO is the Congressional Budget Office." Senator Sessions continued and said, "- Congressional Budget Office. They're nonpartisan witnesses. They testified -- notice the inflection -- it might make a positive difference. Another witness said their projections don't include a stimulus because it's not now law but that any kind of big expenditure should help some in the short run. That we don't doubt." ["Your World with Neil Cavuto," FOX News, 1/8/09]

Cornyn: "God Bless Dr. Elmendorf For His Integrity And Commitment To Tell The Truth." "I believe the professionals at the Congressional Budget Office are doing a very difficult but unpopular work. They are speaking the truth to power here in Washington and making the folks who would pass these enormous unfunded bills that impose this huge debt on generations hereafter somewhat unhappy. But I think they are doing an important service by telling us the facts. Last week I commended the Director of the CBO, Dr. Doug Elmendorf, for saying that CBO will 'never adjust our views to make people happy.' God bless Dr. Elmendorf for his integrity and commitment to telling the truth. We need to learn how to deal with the truth, not try to remake it or cover it up." [Congressional Record, 6/22/09]

McConnell Described CBO as "Independent," Praised Their Assessments. In press releases of his floor statements, Senator McConnell praised CBO's assessments of health care and repeatedly described them as "independent." On July 21, McConnell said, "Despite repeated assurances from the administration to the contrary, the independent Congressional Budget Office says that just one section of one of the Democrat proposals we've seen would force 10 million people off their current health plans." On July 22, McConnell said, "According to the independent Congressional Budget Office, the Democrat proposals would very likely increase overall health care spending, not reduce it. There goes that argument." [Press Releases, Office of Senator McConnell, 7/21/09; 7/22/09]

McConnell Used CBO to Further His Health Care Claims. In an interview on Fox News Channel’s "Your World with Neil Cavuto," Senator McConnell discussed Medicare and said, "The director of CBO, as you just indicated, has underscored what they are doing. And it's astonishing." ["Your World with Neil Cavuto," FOX News, 9/24/09]

McConnell Used CBO to Justify Humana’s Right to Mislead to Seniors. Senator McConnell took to the floor and the airwaves to defend insurance industry giant Humana’s First Amendment right to mislead America's seniors. "McConnell, who has opposed health care proposals by President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats, was back on the Senate floor Wednesday. He pointed out that an analysis by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office showed Humana's concerns were justified." [Courier-Journal (Louisville, KY), 9/27/09]

Cornyn Called CBO "Nonpartisan," Used Them Justify His Opposition to Obama's Budget. In a statement, Senator Cornyn used a "report from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office" as "further evidence that this Administration needs to get its priorities straight." [Press Release, Office of Senator Cornyn, 3/20/09]

Alexander Previously Embraced the CBO's Scoring on Health Legislation. Senator Alexander justified his support of a health care proposal by highlighting the CBO's scoring. "I endorse the plan because the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has said it wouldn't add a penny to the deficit, and because it wouldn't create a government-run plan to compete with private insurance plans." [Senator Alexander column via States News Service, 8/1/09]

But the best part?

Cantor Called CBO Score a "Turning Point." In a press conference, House Minority Whip Eric Cantor said, "In following up on the Leader's statements about Republican efforts to try and make sure we accomplish health care reform, I think the news yesterday from the CBO is the turning point in the heath care debate so that we will be able to put some reason back into the discussion here and be able to produce for the middle class families in this country." [Press Conference, 6/16/09]

Cantor Used CBO as a Validator. In an appearance on Bloomberg television, House Minority Whip Eric Cantor said, "So the trade off is, do you want to go and take some steps that make sense, incrementally, towards the solution of trying to get more people having access? You do that by instilling competition, which will reduce prices. CBO validates that our bill does that." ["Political Capital with Al Hunt," Bloomberg, 11/6/09]"



Continue reading on Examiner.com: GOP that once loved CBO now says it's wrong on health care - National populist | Examiner.com GOP that once loved CBO now says it's wrong on health care - National populist | Examiner.com
 
Catawba said:
Personally, I think lower deficits and more affordable health care are a good thing.
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few care what you think

the world is not your mom

grow up

But that's just me.
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fair enough

obamacare raises more than THREE QUARTERS OF A T in new taxes, fines, fees and mandates on americans promised repeatedly by ahab obama that no one under 200K would ever see a dime of tax hike

party on, my self important friend
 
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