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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    The President doesn't care if the House doesn't give him the money for Obamacare because, as he has already stated, his health care bill is going to be revenue neutral, will not need any new taxes, and any shortfall can be raised by getting rid of the waste from the present system and streamlining its management. As well, perhaps he can borrow trillions more from the Chinese.

    It's an Obamanation.

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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Good. Since the bottom is paying 16% and the top is paying 30%, after deductions - which spur investment - I really don't see the problem.
    A tax cut from approx. 80% for the top tax rate (as it was during the 50 year period when we had a progressive tax) to 30% is regressive no matter how you spin it. And that doesn't even include all the "legal" loopholes that can be used to further reduce the 30% to much less down to zero in some cases. We also learned (painfully) that the trickle down theory only worked for those at the top, and left the rest of us with more National debt to have to pay for, thereby shifing the tax burden more to the middle class. The tax cuts to to the wealthy resulted in a bubble followed by a recession (both times), with the rich growing richer and the middle class growing poorer.

    If what you say is true about tax reductions spurring investment, why isn't our economy thriving after a decade of these tax cuts enjoyed by the wealthy?


    If you are seriously suggesting that the delta percentage between the various quintiles should be the same, rather than be steep initially and leveling off subsequently
    I am suggesting moving them closer to where they were during the 50 year period in our history when we had a progressive tax, and the strongest middle class in our history.

    Flat tax is the way to go.
    If your goal is a regressive tax.

    You are already stealing from the rich to pay for programs for the poor.
    It is part of our Constitution to promote the welfare of the people. Where in the Constitution is the part where the rich should thrive on the backs of the middle class?

    We don't have enough money to pay for the programs you have promised the poor.
    We do if we cut the wasteful spending in our various departments including the military, we currently spend more for our military than the rest of the world, combined. And we may have to reconsider wars for nation building around the world, also something not required by the Constitution, and the wealthy start paying their fair share of taxes.

    Debt interest and entitlements suck up the entire federal revenues and all other federal spending is deficit.
    And where did the debt come from? Trillions of it are from nation building wars of choice and tax cuts for the wealthy. And the same party that (talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk) is the party that spent the money. Obama has proposed a 1.1 trillion dollar reduction in spending over a 10 year period. Please link me to a GOP budget proposal in the last decade which cut spending as much.
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    You know, defunding Obamacare I like.

    But they completely defunded the EPA too. Sure, there are some problems with the EPA, and they could have worked to fix the problems, but defunding it entirely? OK, folks. Enjoy the arsenic in your drinking water.

    These guys are insane.
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, defunding Obamacare I like.

    But they completely defunded the EPA too. Sure, there are some problems with the EPA, and they could have worked to fix the problems, but defunding it entirely? OK, folks. Enjoy the arsenic in your drinking water.

    These guys are insane.
    Seriously. I have no problem with cuts but there are reasons many of these programs were instituted! One day someone will ask why CEO's need to sign off on financial statements or why Sarbanes-Oxley was instituted and say it is and should be cut.

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    For those that forgot already please look up Enron!
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Most Americans don't want to defund health care law

    Feb 17, 2011

    "Even as respondents continued to express opposition to the health reform law, a CBS News poll found that the majority of Americans disapprove of*congressional Republicans' efforts*to starve the health overhaul of the funds needed to implement it.

    Los Angeles Times: CBS News Poll: Most Americans Don't Want To Strip Health Care Law Of Its Funding
Even as Republicans attempt to de-fund the president's health care overhaul on the House floor this week, a new poll suggests that they should proceed with caution (Oliphant, 2/16).

    The Hill: Poll: Majority Disapprove Of Defunding Health Reform 
A majority of Americans would disapprove of efforts by Congress to defund health care reform, a new poll found Wednesday. Despite figures suggesting that most U.S. adults disapprove of President Obama's signature health care reform law, respondents to a new CBS News poll expressed opposition to defunding it, as Republicans in Congress have said they'll pursue. Fifty-five percent of U.S. adults said they would disapprove if Congress stopped funding for the new health care law, while 35 percent said they would approve. Ten percent said they did not know (O'Brien, 2/16).

    National Journal: Americans Disapprove Of Health Care Defunding Efforts 
A large majority of Americans disapprove of Republican efforts to defund the health care law, according to a recently released CBS News poll. The survey found that 55 percent of adults across the country disapprove of plans to defund the health care law, though a majority of respondents still disapprove of the law itself. Just over 50 percent of people surveyed said they disapproved of the law, with 34 percent strongly disapproving. Only 33 percent approved of the legislation (Fung, 2/16)."
    Poll: Most Americans Don't Want To Defund Health Law - Kaiser Health News
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Most Americans don't want to defund health care law

    Feb 17, 2011

    "Even as respondents continued to express opposition to the health reform law, a CBS News poll found that the majority of Americans disapprove of*congressional Republicans' efforts*to starve the health overhaul of the funds needed to implement it.

    Los Angeles Times: CBS News Poll: Most Americans Don't Want To Strip Health Care Law Of Its Funding
Even as Republicans attempt to de-fund the president's health care overhaul on the House floor this week, a new poll suggests that they should proceed with caution (Oliphant, 2/16).

    The Hill: Poll: Majority Disapprove Of Defunding Health Reform 
A majority of Americans would disapprove of efforts by Congress to defund health care reform, a new poll found Wednesday. Despite figures suggesting that most U.S. adults disapprove of President Obama's signature health care reform law, respondents to a new CBS News poll expressed opposition to defunding it, as Republicans in Congress have said they'll pursue. Fifty-five percent of U.S. adults said they would disapprove if Congress stopped funding for the new health care law, while 35 percent said they would approve. Ten percent said they did not know (O'Brien, 2/16).

    National Journal: Americans Disapprove Of Health Care Defunding Efforts 
A large majority of Americans disapprove of Republican efforts to defund the health care law, according to a recently released CBS News poll. The survey found that 55 percent of adults across the country disapprove of plans to defund the health care law, though a majority of respondents still disapprove of the law itself. Just over 50 percent of people surveyed said they disapproved of the law, with 34 percent strongly disapproving. Only 33 percent approved of the legislation (Fung, 2/16)."
    Poll: Most Americans Don't Want To Defund Health Law - Kaiser Health News
    This just shows how indecisive people are when it comes to Obamacare. They are against it yet they are against cutting the funding for it. I suspect this indecisivness is because so many simply dont know much about it or what it will/not achieve.

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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, defunding Obamacare I like.

    But they completely defunded the EPA too. Sure, there are some problems with the EPA, and they could have worked to fix the problems, but defunding it entirely? OK, folks. Enjoy the arsenic in your drinking water.

    These guys are insane.
    So insane in fact they are being constitutional. :p

    EPA is unconstitutional, what it is doing passing laws is unconstitutional and its was put in place using unconstional means.

    Sorry, if I don't buy our drinking water will not be safe without the EPA, so called conservative.

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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    This just shows how indecisive people are when it comes to Obamacare. They are against it yet they are against cutting the funding for it. I suspect this indecisivness is because so many simply dont know much about it or what it will/not achieve.
    Seems pretty clear they don't want it defunded however.
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So insane in fact they are being constitutional. :p

    EPA is unconstitutional, what it is doing passing laws is unconstitutional and its was put in place using unconstional means.

    Sorry, if I don't buy our drinking water will not be safe without the EPA, so called conservative.
    Easy to say while you are drinking clean water. Explain, please, how the EPA is unconstitutional?

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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sorry, if I don't buy our drinking water will not be safe without the EPA, so called conservative.
    There is conservative, and then there is bat **** crazy conservative. Most of us think of danarhea as the former and not the latter.
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