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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Again, you're assuming that it will make it passed the Senate in its present form. Dems may have a slim majority in the Senate, but it's still a majority. Of course the president isn't king. But he has that veto pen. The one granted to him by the Constitution. A gov't shutdown won't necessarily be viewed by the public as the fault of Obama. Look what happened in the 90s. Republicans got blamed for it and lost big time in 96.
    They did, but that was before alternative media outlets gave people a different perspective then the DNC talking points. 15 years ago people didn't have the internet to help them decide whether the talking heads on TV were being honest. Now they know better.

    The public DID btw speak out, they voted the Dem's into oblivion in the House, and the Senate is a bare majority. The people spoke, the Republicans have listened, will the Dem's get the message or keep ignoring the will of the people?
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    tell it to claire mccaskill
    And that has what to do with the fact that public opinion is swinging the other way?

    Oh yeah, that's right. Nothing.

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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    They did, but that was before alternative media outlets gave people a different perspective then the DNC talking points. 15 years ago people didn't have the internet to help them decide whether the talking heads on TV were being honest. Now they know better.

    The public DID btw speak out, they voted the Dem's into oblivion in the House, and the Senate is a bare majority. The people spoke, the Republicans have listened, will the Dem's get the message or keep ignoring the will of the people?
    Can you quit with this MSM farce? How can conservatives sit on their high horse of illogical reasoning and not notice that they whine and cry about this force called the "MSM" and then brag that Fox News has the highest ratings of any news station. Fox News is the definition of the MSM and you watch it. Just stop. Use your head.

    And if the conservatives force a government shut down... I think we'll all see just how childish they are.
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    And that has what to do with the fact that public opinion is swinging the other way?
    ask joe manchin

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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Fox News is the definition of the MSM and you watch it.
    the white house waged (for a few weeks) the fox news war

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us...ics/23fox.html

    the white house got its butt kicked and surrendered

    And if the conservatives force a government shut down...
    if the govt is indeed shut down it will be via presidential veto
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    You do understand what you are saying don't you?

    You are agreeing that the HOUSE has killed it....it's not about Obama signing or vetoeing it now....he can't get "money" for it.

    The SC will strike it down 5-4 anyway.



    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    But the Senate can negotiate it. If the Senate won't pass it, then it won't get passed. That's how it works. They have to come to a compromise. And like I said, Obama will just veto it if it makes it through the Senate (which it won't). Anybody who thinks Obama won't veto this bill is sadly mistaken.
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the white house waged (for a few weeks) the fox news war

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us...ics/23fox.html

    the white house got its butt kicked and surrendered



    if the govt is indeed shut down it will be via presidential veto
    Funny, you just quoted a "liberal MSM" source as proof of... wait, what was your point? Either way, as you can see, the NY Times, a supposed liberal news source, was unbiased enough to cover this story (and covered well).

    I noticed Fox never covered the story of their nazi blunders and their blunder of calling their owner a terrorist. Where is the MSMs (Fox and Conservative talk radio) coverage of these stories! It's all talking points. It's all MSM, they are almost all biased, and it's a waste of time.

    And what was your point again?

    *Edit:

    And you win the award for most posts with the most sentence fragments ever. Complete a sentence!
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That was never my point, Obama is not in the driver's seat because the same excuse used regarding Gingrich doesn't exist in this case (of shutting down government). The House has legitimate, voter-backed reasons for what they want to do.
    So voters want the HC law entirely defunded or repealed? I think not. In fact, an entire repeal of the law is not supported by most Americans. But that doesn't matter. If Congress really did what the public supports, they'd have included a public option (which was supported by a majority of the country). In its present form, the bill won't make it through the Senate. And if it does, Obama will veto it. It's not hard to understand. That's just the way it is.


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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    You do understand what you are saying don't you?

    You are agreeing that the HOUSE has killed it....it's not about Obama signing or vetoeing it now....he can't get "money" for it.

    The SC will strike it down 5-4 anyway.
    No, I'm not. I'm saying the House can vote to kill it all they want. But until it passes the Senate and gets signed by Obama, the spending bill goes nowhere. Is this really that hard to understand? The House passes a bill. It then goes to the Senate. If the House and Senate can agree and draft a final bill, it then goes to the president to sign or veto. In its present form this bill will not only die in the Senate, but even if by some miracle it gets passed the Senate, Obama will veto it. Do you really believe that Obama will not veto a bill that essentially kills his signature legislation?

    You can wish all you want that the SCOTUS will strike down the law, but that doesn't make it so.


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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    ask joe manchin
    Rather than offer up any counter, you are simply stating names.

    I accept your concession.

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