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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

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    By how much do you feel our teachers, firefighters and policemen are being overpaid?
    FT.com / US / Economy & Fed - US public pensions face $2,500bn shortfall

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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    We are debating from different perspectives, I don't begrudge them their money, it's theirs.

    I know that if I personally want more I need to work harder to get it.

    How does that happen....well I work for those who HAVE that "money".

    I do not engage in envy....well ok....I am envious of Kate Beckinsale's husband.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Have you not looked at the census data? The super-rich are not getting less rich., it is the middle class that is falling under the poverty line.

    By how much do you feel our teachers, firefighters and policemen are being overpaid?
    Obama is NOT 50 feet tall, he is ONE inch deep.
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

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    back to the income equality gig, again, i see

    make up your mind

    income equality is a very petty perspective, divisive, envious, pitting americans against their neighbors

    quit worrying about how much your neighbor is making, take care of your own back yard

    quit trying to redistribute what your neighbor has earned, focus instead on teaching our less successful friends and neighbors to do better

    that's the way UP
    The class war was begun by Reagan/Bush whey they slashed our progressive tax system. If **** keeps up like the Gov of Wisconsin is trying to pull, you haven't even begun to see the fight the middle class will put up.

    Why should the super-rich profit on the backs of 80 percent of the country?
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

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    We are debating from different perspectives

    You have not answered my question, By how much do you feel our teachers, firefighters and policemen are being overpaid?
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Ahhh, the question has now changed

    At least we can agree that the Constitution grants no "Right" to strike.

    This is your red herring, the larger question should how much is too much?

    It is not the front end I have a quarrel with, it's the back end....their Pensions are unfunded..and they don't want to pay any more into them than they already do.

    My daughter is a Teacher, but her students can read.


    Now....as a Tax Payer....you know...the one paying thier salaries....how is it feasible to in effect pay them twice what I earn?




    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You have not answered my question, By how much do you feel our teachers, firefighters and policemen are being overpaid?
    Obama is NOT 50 feet tall, he is ONE inch deep.
    Mark Levin

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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

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    I guess that depends on whether you think more and more middle class falling under the poverty line is a good thing or not:

    "NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The nation's poverty rate jumped to 14.3% in 2009, its highest level since 1994, and the 43.6 million Americans in need is the highest number in 51 years of record-keeping, the government said Thursday.
    Census Bureau reports new spike in poverty - Sep. 16, 2010
    Yes, unemployment is rising in this downturn. It has nothing to do with how much the wealthy make in salary. When the poverty rate is equal to 1932, let me know.

    No, I want to stop the wealth redistribution began under Reagan and continued with Bush and the new Congress.
    That's stopping wealth redistribution, not causing it.

    I would like to see your facts on how many teachers, firefighters and police dropped out of H.S.?

    By how much do you feel our teachers, firefighters and policemen are being overpaid?
    They aren't the ones dropping below the poverty line. But if they are losing their jobs, it is because of unfunded pensions and local and state budget deficits, which has nothing to do with lower tax rates for the rich or that the rich are making more money.

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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The class war was begun by Reagan/Bush whey they slashed our progressive tax system.
    says the personification round these parts of class warfare

    such a petty perspective

    anyone got a microscope

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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    By how much do you feel our teachers, firefighters and policemen are being overpaid?
    FT.com / US / Economy & Fed - US public pensions face $2,500bn shortfall

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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

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    (Reuters) - "Tax and accounting loopholes that largely benefit rich taxpayers and companies cost the government $20 billion a year even as the pay gap between chief executives and employees has widened, two groups said on Monday.
    The biggest loss comes from a "stock option accounting double standard" that allows corporations paying executives stock options to deduct more than their actual expenses, they said.
    For example, when UnitedHealth Group Inc paid CEO William McGuire 9 million stock options, it put on its financial statement that the compensation cost the company nothing, according to the Institute for Policy Studies and the group United for a Fair Economy.
    But it claimed a tax deduction of $317.7 million, the groups said.
    That practice alone costs the U.S. government $10 billion a year, the groups said.
    A practice known as deferred compensation -- which allows executives to defer an unlimited amount of pay -- costs the government $80.6 million a year, while other loopholes bring the total lost tax revenue to $20 billion, the groups said.
    "It's outrageous that our tax dollars are inflating executive paychecks," said Sarah Anderson, an author of the report. "Surely in these troubled economic times we can find better ways to spend our nation's wealth."
    The report said large U.S. companies paid CEOs an average $10.5 million in compensation last year, 344 times what the average worker earned.
    That gap is expected to grow as the industries adding workers are those with the biggest pay gaps, the groups said."

    Tax loopholes seen costing billions annually | Reuters
    What's this about "Tax loopholes"???

    There are legal and illegal tax deductions. If someone is doing anything illegal they should be charged but claiming "loopholes" is the just the government's way of saying the tax code is too complicated and people more intelligent than its designers are taking advantage of that fact..
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What's this about "Tax loopholes"???

    There are legal and illegal tax deductions. If someone is doing anything illegal they should be charged but charging "loopholes" is the just the government's way of saying the tax code is too complicated and people more intelligent than its designers are taking advantage of that fact..
    Are you now debating the word "loophole"? Don't make this a topic that we actually need to go to the dictionary because of nit picking.

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