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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Here is what is going to happen in the next two years, the House will vote down, and try to stop all the progress the Dems have made the past two years, and then the Senate will stop that, so basically no progress will happen, and we will experience another 2 years of futility that is the United States Government.

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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The President isn't King, the Senate has a slim majority for the Dem's and Obama will be forced to shut down the gov't or sign the bill.
    Again, you're assuming that it will make it passed the Senate in its present form. Dems may have a slim majority in the Senate, but it's still a majority. Of course the president isn't king. But he has that veto pen. The one granted to him by the Constitution. A gov't shutdown won't necessarily be viewed by the public as the fault of Obama. Look what happened in the 90s. Republicans got blamed for it and lost big time in 96.


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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

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    House blocks funding for health care law - On Politics: Covering the US Congress, Governors, and the 2012 Election - USATODAY.com




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    If you conservatives want Obamacare dead with no health insurance bill to replace it, then you had better do a lot of prayin' to whatever god you worship, because once it reaches the likes of Mr. Joe "I didn't have health insurance before this law" Average, the game is over. It isn't like total repeal of the law is getting more popular, either. According to Rasmussin one month ago, 75% wanted the law changed, but only 20% wanted it totally scrapped. 28% wanted it repealed but wanted the most popular provisions made into law, with 27% wanting the law to remain but scrap the unpopular provisions (source:
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    That was in January. Welcome to February, where only 57% of voters now favor repeal, and 38% oppose (Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™).

    So, unless you conservatives get some sort of miracle here with the voting public, get ready to have some health insurance - like it or not.
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    Again, you're assuming that it will make it passed the Senate in its present form. Dems may have a slim majority in the Senate, but it's still a majority. Of course the president isn't king. But he has that veto pen. The one granted to him by the Constitution. A gov't shutdown won't necessarily be viewed by the public as the fault of Obama. Look what happened in the 90s. Republicans got blamed for it and lost big time in 96.
    Seems as though the cons have suddenly forgotten about the 60 vote threshold so predominately used by the 111th Republicans. They're 13 shy of that.
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    this aint the 90's

    what's gonna happen is this:

    this appropriations has now at least five strips of obamacare funding---the hiring of irs to enforce the mandate, the hiring of hhs, no money for "implementation," the setting up of the exchanges, and the requirement that employers insure employees up to 750K

    House pulls plug on health law funds - David Nather - POLITICO.com

    to tell you the truth, there are more stonewalls that boehner has bullied thru, tho i'll confess i've lost track of the pitts amendment on conscience-driven abortion funding

    anyway, it sounds like you are unaware of what's been going on in boehner's bailiwick this week, tho it's all over msnbc in the morning and of course dominating cspan

    the bright orange dude who chain smokes promised that he would reverse pelosi's petrograd procedurals, by allowing open amendments, and debate

    so there were hundreds offered and they've been fighting...

    last i heard, probably thursday morning, they had got thru about 60 of em

    they were still huffing til 3:30 am wednesday, for example

    that you probably heard

    dumb like a fox, they were calling the speaker who looks like a traffic cone, it was gonna take forever to get all this stuff thru appropriations, which aint universally called "must pass legislation" for nothin

    the point---each of these passed stonewalls will be presented to the ms mccaskills and mr manchins and mr's nelson and nelson, et al

    and, yes, absolutely, a bunch of these amendments will survive the scared-to-death scenario---why do you think THREE up-in-2012 blues in red states have already QUIT, enhanced yesterday by mr bingaman's bombshell

    the hiring of irs, for instance---you can forget about that one, even a senator like RUSS FEINGOLD woulda dumped on dat

    the implementation, the exchanges---these will be the most important and crucial votes in the long or short senatorial careers of---ben nelson, claire mccaskill, jon tester, joe manchin, bill nelson, sherrod brown, bob casey, herb kohl, debbie stabenow, amy klobuchar...

    and you could include kent conrad, combat boots webb, bingaman and jiltin joe lieberman---if they still had senatorial careers to look forward to

    upshot---the mandate

    an amendment to halt funding of this criminalization of americans, mostly young, caught breathing without insurance---the party of petrograd is gonna have a lot of problems with it

    ms mccaskill has already tipped her hand, this extremely loyal obamacare water carrier, so far

    bill nelson also declared, and joe manchin, who won west virginia by putting a bullet thru cap and trade, actively CAMPAIGNED against the mandate

    that was only 3 months ago, the former gub now solon is UP already in 12, sitting in kkk byrd's seat

    Dems up for reelection under pressure to nix healthcare mandate - TheHill.com

    McCaskill moves away from mandate - David Catanese - POLITICO.com

    you must also keep in mind that whatever differences exist between the senate bill and boehner's blueprint must then go to reconciliation, the party in power is in a huge hurry, and the caltrans cone has about 260, a prodigious preponderance

    what will happen is---a must-pass appropriations will be plopped perfunctorily on the president's rolltop, one he don't prefer, and he will be hard pressed

    ie, he aint gonna veto SQUAT

    because to do so he'd have to go against CLAIRE MCCASKILL

    in order to SHUT DOWN THE GOVT

    stay up, respect yourself
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    this aint the 90's

    what's gonna happen is this:

    ie, he aint gonna veto SQUAT

    because to do so he'd have to go against CLAIRE MCCASKILL

    in order to SHUT DOWN THE GOVT

    stay up, respect yourself
    You are sadly mistaken if you believe that Obama isn't going to veto a bill that defunds his signature legislation. You don't seriously believe that do you? I don't know what you're smoking, but I'd sure like some of it.


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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    So, unless you conservatives get some sort of miracle here with the voting public...
    nov 2, 2010

    it happened

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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    But the Senate can negotiate it. If the Senate won't pass it, then it won't get passed. That's how it works. They have to come to a compromise. And like I said, Obama will just veto it if it makes it through the Senate (which it won't). Anybody who thinks Obama won't veto this bill is sadly mistaken.
    That was never my point, Obama is not in the driver's seat because the same excuse used regarding Gingrich doesn't exist in this case (of shutting down government). The House has legitimate, voter-backed reasons for what they want to do.
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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    nov 2, 2010

    it happened
    And yet, public opinion on this issue is swinging the other way, as I just showed you.

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    Re: House blocks funding for health care law

    tell it to claire mccaskill

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