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Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

randel said:
i never threaten j.........:cool:
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Hard to say, seeing as the dishonesty in the past about who you are and what you stand for still casts a shadow over your true intent.


j-mac
 
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Lets get back on topic everyone
 
nyt today: "union bonds in WI begin to fray"

Wisconsin’s financial problems are not as dire as those of many other states. But a simmering resentment over those lost jobs and lost benefits in private industry — combined with the state’s history of highly polarized politics — may explain why Wisconsin, once a pioneer in supporting organized labor, has set off a debate that is spreading to other states over public workers, unions and budget woes.

There are deeply divided opinions and shifting allegiances over whether unions are helping or hurting people who have been caught in the recent economic squeeze. And workers themselves, being pitted against one another, are finding it hard to feel sympathy or offer solidarity, with their own jobs lost and their benefits and pensions cut back or cut off.

In Madison, the capital, which has become the focus of protests, many state workers and students at the University of Wisconsin predictably oppose the proposed cuts. But away from Madison, many people said that public workers needed to share in the sacrifice that their own families have been forced to make.

The effort to weaken bargaining rights for public-sector unions has been particularly divisive, with some people questioning the need to tackle such a fundamental issue to solve the state’s budget problems. But more often the conversation has turned to the proposals to increase public workers’ contributions to their pensions and health care, and on these issues people said they were less sympathetic, and often grew flushed and emotional telling stories of their own pay cuts and financial worries.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/us/22union.html

party on, progressives
 
j-mac said:
This is America. If you want all pay equal, the Soviet Union failed.


j-mac
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They've agreed. However the governor won't put it in writing, which gives cause to doubt his motives.
 
Boo Radley said:
They've agreed. However the governor won't put it in writing, which gives cause to doubt his motives.
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Now you've said it. So have LibLady and Haymarket. Unless you provide a link, please add, "In my opinion....." Where is a press release from the union? You will now be the third poster to ignore request for link.
 
Boo Radley said:
That's nonsense j. Just like in the private sector, both sides can negotiate. No one has a gun held to their heads. Both can fight to win their position. The public sector is no different. But I have seen this talking point repeated a lot this weekend. Do they send out a memo? ;)
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I missed your respionse j.
 
MaggieD said:
Now you've said it. So have LibLady and Haymarket. Unless you provide a link, please add, "In my opinion....." Where is a press release from the union? You will now be the third poster to ignore request for link.
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Jon Stewart had a clip of him being asked about it last night. You can start there.

JON STEWART: Wisconsin Protests Are NOT Like Cairo, Or 9/11...They're The Bizarro Tea Party!

Or you can do a google search:

Union Agrees To Pay Cut To Help Dane Co. Budget
AFSCME Negotiates Agreement

Allvoices.com - External Link

Allvoices.com - External Link
 
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Not only did Boo total fail on that 2009 link (good one!) but there are lots of county's affected not just Dane County. As per the Governor this morning, not one locality has identified they'd agree to the amounts described which are:

12.6% total pay in to pensions
5.8% increase to health benefits
The ability for local county's to negotiate the bargaining agreement to ENFORCE these increases, without which, any agreement wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on.
 
I wish it was a criminal offense and they would get arrested. Complete deriliction of duty. New Law Idea: Anybody walks out on their duty in Congress put them in the brig and give their vote to the opposition to do with it what they will. Either stay and vote your conscience or lose that right.
 
LOL. . . .The 2009 article dispels the 'greedy teacher' meme put forth by the extremists. Seems as though they have been sacrificing for some time now.
 
BWG said:
LOL. . . .The 2009 article dispels the 'greedy teacher' meme put forth by the extremists. Seems as though they have been sacrificing for some time now.
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You didn't even read it. It was about one small group in one county. Do your homework. And what's "meme"?
 
BWG said:
LOL. . . .The 2009 article dispels the 'greedy teacher' meme put forth by the extremists. Seems as though they have been sacrificing for some time now.
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What a sacrifice... private sectors been sacrificing for 20+ years. Amazingly, we don't get a 100K early retirement with medical coverage for the rest of our lives in the private sector.
 
Boo Radley said:
Jon Stewart had a clip of him being asked about it last night. You can start there.

JON STEWART: Wisconsin Protests Are NOT Like Cairo, Or 9/11...They're The Bizarro Tea Party!

Or you can do a google search:

Union Agrees To Pay Cut To Help Dane Co. Budget
AFSCME Negotiates Agreement

Allvoices.com - External Link

Allvoices.com - External Link
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No, one is a refernce back to 2009, showing their willingness. The other is a link to the present, not to mention the governor is quoted on Fox News Sunday in the stewart clip (I guess his word doesn't count). But continue the search:

On Sunday, WEAC President Mary Bell reiterated that money issues have been taken off the table. "Public employees have agreed to Governor Walker’s pension and health care concessions, which he says will solve the budget challenge. But Governor Walker’s bill goes too far and he has chosen polarizing rhetoric," she said.

Wisconsin Education Association Council
 
Boo Radley said:
No, one is a refernce back to 2009, showing their willingness. The other is a link to the present, not to mention the governor is quoted on Fox News Sunday in the stewart clip (I guess his word doesn't count). But continue the search:

On Sunday, WEAC President Mary Bell reiterated that money issues have been taken off the table. "Public employees have agreed to Governor Walker’s pension and health care concessions, which he says will solve the budget challenge. But Governor Walker’s bill goes too far and he has chosen polarizing rhetoric," she said.

Wisconsin Education Association Council
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Thank you, Boo. You are the only poster who did homework. I appreciate the time you spent finding that.

I wonder, then, if Walker is also looking for the union to agree that any increase over CPI will have to be voted on by taxpayers. If he got that and still kept going, then I'd agree his main purpose is to bust the union. Not that I'm entirely against that, but I do blame the negotiators on the taxpayer side more than anyone(thing) else.
 
Boo Radley said:
However the governor won't put it in writing
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won't put it in writing?

LOL!

it's a BILL the state legislature is gonna vote on---with or WITHOUT the senate dems

what an idiot

senator erpenbach, i mean
 
MaggieD said:
Thank you, Boo. You are the only poster who did homework. I appreciate the time you spent finding that.

I wonder, then, if Walker is also looking for the union to agree that any increase over CPI will have to be voted on by taxpayers. If he got that and still kept going, then I'd agree his main purpose is to bust the union. Not that I'm entirely against that, but I do blame the negotiators on the taxpayer side more than anyone(thing) else.
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Blame? I guess I see it differently. Negotiations are jsut that, negotiations. No one has to sign anything. Each fights for what they think is reasonable, or best. I think the governor's motivations are in doubt. And is involving himself in a kind of class warfare, striking cuts at the working man, while granting breaks to business and the wealthy. Most agree that if he gets everything he wants, he makes no headway in reducing the debt. so, there are many questions remaining here.

Contrary to Walker's assertion, there is no direct correlation between public-sector collective bargaining and yawning state budget deficits. According to data gathered by the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, while Wisconsin projects a state budget deficit of 12.8 percent for FY 2012, North Carolina, which does not allow government workers to bargain, faces a significantly higher deficit: 20 percent.

The Monkey Cage: The Relationship between Union Membership and State Budget Deficits

But in the 2011-’13 state budget, the Legislative Fiscal Bureau memo found that tax collections would drop more than $100 million because of the tax cuts. That adds to the projected deficit.

Wisconsin's state budget -- frequently asked questions - JSOnline

David Vines: Millionaire Teachers and Bus Drivers Responsible for Wisconsin's Budget Deficit

Ezra Klein - Unions aren't to blame for Wisconsin's budget
 
Boo Radley said:
They've agreed. However the governor won't put it in writing, which gives cause to doubt his motives.
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You must be kidding. You impune a governor, any governor, as to his/her integrity for NOT cowtowing and bowing down to a bunch of lawbreakers. "They've agreed.." you said...to what? Conditions they set as irresponsible lawbreakers. Up their collective wazoos!

You want something to whine about? I'd like to see Republicans in every damned district these coward representatives represent draft recall petitions and send them in to the Gov! Then you'd have something to wring out your bloomers about. Gimme a break.
 
MaggieD said:
Thank you, Boo. You are the only poster who did homework. I appreciate the time you spent finding that.

I wonder, then, if Walker is also looking for the union to agree that any increase over CPI will have to be voted on by taxpayers. If he got that and still kept going, then I'd agree his main purpose is to bust the union. Not that I'm entirely against that, but I do blame the negotiators on the taxpayer side more than anyone(thing) else.
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Just because someone posts a bunch of links doesn't mean anything. When one researches those links one finds what mr. Boo didn't want you to find as he figured a bunch of links would scare everyone off. Not so. I can spot that smoke blowing technique. Fact is that Brian Beutler at TPM said Republican Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker “ginned up” a “budget shortfall“. Can you figure out what happened next? All the left-leaning sheeple lined up and started bahhhhhing in chorus as Ms.Bouie at The American Prospect said Walker’s deficit reducing plan was “a ginned up crisis“. Political fiction writer Steven Benen says Walker is insincere, so you see Boo is just parroting him. The constitutionally confused Ezra Klein claims the
“Badger State was actually in pretty good shape. It was supposed to end this budget cycle with about $120 million in the bank.”
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and so Klein brazenly went on to explain that the governor called a special session of the legislature and signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it helped turn a surplus into a deficit. Sounds good and appears to indict the Guv, but grab your drawers before they hit the floor. That's what Boo wanted you to believe, but even Klein was forced to change his mind in an update to that same post. Did I miss that update in your post Boo? The $130 million deficit now projected for 2011 isn’t the fault of the tax breaks passed during Walker’s special session.

How about them apples huh! As a matter of fact, that deficit for 2011 came from a source not reported by anyone, MOST ESPECIALLY NOT mr. BOO. (Sorry Boo, rough way to get to know you. Hi! I'm doctorhugo.) The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled just this past Tuesday that the state must repay a medical malpractice fund more than $200 million it took to balance the budget three years ago, potentially throwing the current budget into disarray…, because...by now you guessed it. Yep! The state budget is projected to finish the current fiscal year on June 30 with a balance of $45 million, not enough to absorb a $200 million hit. That about takes care of that, so let's recess Ding-Dong School for today. Oops! One minor additonal comment. Of course it's not TOO toooooo important, BUT...that $200 million movement occurred when Doyle was governor and the demonRATs ran both Houses of the Wisconsin legislature.:roll::lol:

I'm gonna take a break 'cause it took me about 10 minutes of hard diggin' to find all this out and I'm due for a non-union break. Feel free Boo to go forth and confirm that I haven't posted any misleading information here.
 
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