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Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

MADISON - Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald says his chamber of the Wisconsin legislature will convene to pass non-spending bills and act on appointments on Tuesday even if minority Democrats remain out of state in an effort to block a vote on Governor Scott Walker's budget repair bill.

Could one of those bills be the union aspect of the budget bill, in a separate vote on Tuesday?

Democratic state Sen. Jon Erpenbach told The Associated Press on Monday that Republicans could attempt to attach the part of the proposal taking away collective bargaining rights to an unrelated bill and pass it Tuesday.

"I told them, 'Listen, Senator Miller, we're marching forward with our business. I am setting the calendar for tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. I would expect that the Democrats will be there, but we will be taking up a resolution. We will be passing a piece of legislation, and we will also be confirming one of the governor's nominees to their cabinet position," said Republican State Senate President Scott Fitzgerald on Newsradio 620 WTMJ's "Wisconsin's Morning News."

Capitol Chaos: Could Union Bill Be Passed Separately Tuesday? | Today's TMJ4 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin News, Weather, Sports, WTMJ | Local News
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Absolutely!!!! Hear, hear! If the demo thugs think that these tactics can stop the peoples business, then they should be left out of it.


j-mac
 
Walter said:
If its NOT PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE and he has not stated his position...by what stroke of logic and lack of knowledge did you address the topic? Geeze......perhaps a little more CRITICAL THINKING? Like, where do you get the idea that its a basic right for a public service employee to have access to collective bargaining, when they work for THE GOVERNMENT not a private sector employee...just how do you negotiate with an act of Legislation? No right to organize is being taken away, if it is demonstrate the language in this law that describes as much. What the law clearly states is the fact that now Wisconsin Public Employees will have the fundamental right of CHOICE and not be forced in a most fascist manner to PAY TO PLAY.
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I have no position on public unions. I'm simply noting that rights they were granted in the 70s are being severely curtailed by Walker's bill. He doesn't seem to be going about it very honestly.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Like up to and including teaching kids for the amount of time required for federal funding? ;)
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No. That wouldn't qualify as being work, "which by it's very nature, cannot be completed by the end of the school year". The very nature of that work is that it can be completed by the end of the school year. In fact, it defines the length of time for a school year. If an outside factor prevents it form being accomplished within the calender school year, it won't be compensated.
 
CriticalThought said:
I have no position on public unions. I'm simply noting that rights they were granted in the 70s are being severely curtailed by Walker's bill. He doesn't seem to be going about it very honestly.
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And whom "granted" these supposed "rights"?

j-mac
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Read it again, one defines a situation where school is recessed and another where things required are not met, and then they must go into the summer, compensated at a pro-rated rate.
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I have read it. The language is clear and standard. The extra time for summer school does not begin until the regular school is recessed. That will NOT BE DONE until the required 194 days are gotten in. Only then will school be recessed and the regular school year be declared as complete and the contract satisfied. that is the way ti has always worked.
 
haymarket said:
I have read it. The language is clear and standard. The extra time for summer school does not begin until the regular school is recessed. That will NOT BE DONE until the required 194 days are gotten in. Only then will school be recessed and the regular school year be declared as complete and the contract satisfied. that is the way ti has always worked.
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What page is this 194 days on?
 
Did anyone see any of the numbers?

These teachers on average make 58g's a year.

The average state gov't worker makes 38g's as does the average private sector employee. These people are bitching and have to pay less than half of what the 38g private sector people do for the same thing.

Fire every last one of those bastards.
 
haymarket said:
I have read it. The language is clear and standard. The extra time for summer school does not begin until the regular school is recessed. That will NOT BE DONE until the required 194 days are gotten in. Only then will school be recessed and the regular school year be declared as complete and the contract satisfied. that is the way ti has always worked.
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Ok, this being the case, should they not have any days left for the time off, won't that have to be made up on the end of the year? Ofcourse it will. 194 is the number of days required regardless. So, whom is going to compensate those parents of the students who's projected plans were ruined by these selfish teachers cryin' about having to kick in a little.

Demo's are all for cuts until you are talking about what they receive.


j-mac
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Did anyone see any of the numbers?

These teachers on average make 58g's a year.

The average state gov't worker makes 38g's as does the average private sector employee. These people are bitching and have to pay less than half of what the 38g private sector people do for the same thing.

Fire every last one of those bastards.
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Maybe the problem is with the private sector and not with the public sector. Just a thought.
 
j-mac said:
What the legislature giveth, they can take away isn't that right?


j-mac
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As I said, I have no position on it. What I am curious about is why Walker is going about it in such a dishonest fashion.
 
CriticalThought said:
Maybe the problem is with the private sector and not with the public sector. Just a thought.
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LOL, yes because everyone should have employment agreements that they full well know will bankrupt the state, and then still refuse to give up? Great thinking.


j-mac
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Did anyone see any of the numbers?

These teachers on average make 58g's a year.

The average state gov't worker makes 38g's as does the average private sector employee. These people are bitching and have to pay less than half of what the 38g private sector people do for the same thing.

Fire every last one of those bastards.
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except they've already agreed to the financial concessions. so what's your problem with them again?
 
j-mac said:
LOL, yes because everyone should have employment agreements that they full well know will bankrupt the state, and then still refuse to give up? Great thinking.


j-mac
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I was thinking more along the lines between the inequality between what the private sector pays as compared to the public sector.
 
CriticalThought said:
As I said, I have no position on it. What I am curious about is why Walker is going about it in such a dishonest fashion.
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Well, I don't believe you can honestly be in this discussion and NOT hold a position on Public Sector Unions. It is not Walker that is being dishonest in this, check with the lib legislators that fled the State like cowards. There is your dishonesty. Check with Union bosses who say one thing to the press, but won't put anything in writing. Check with the teachers getting fake sick notes, because they know that striking in their positions is illegal and voids their contracts....There's your dishonesty.


j-mac
 
CriticalThought said:
I was thinking more along the lines between the inequality between what the private sector pays as compared to the public sector.
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This is America. If you want all pay equal, the Soviet Union failed.


j-mac
 
The Prof said:
what dishonesty?

everyone knows what walker's working

it's wall to wall
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The dishonesty comes with him creating a financial crisis to allow him to put this scheme forward.
 
The Prof said:
what dishonesty?

everyone knows what walker's working

it's wall to wall
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No. He carved out exceptions for some government employees so they would join him against the others. He has argued that this is about balancing the budget instead of explicitly stating that this is a long term political reform. He is being profoundly dishonest even for a politician.
 
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