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Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

MrVicchio said:
Social spending >> Military spending. By quite a bit.

As for your second point, your missing the point here, those people who "need the programs" as you put it, where are they spending their money? Exactly my point. The Return on Investment in monies taken through taxes is very very low for investors.
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I tried googling Social vs Military, but the results weren't really applicable. Would you mind backing that up? Also, what about taxes? I mentioned them in my original argument.

They're spending their money on daily life. On the products that the companies (that your investors invest in) make. Is there data stating otherwise?

I'm not arguing as much as I am questioning here, guys.
 
wtfkenneth said:
I tried googling Social vs Military, but the results weren't really applicable. Would you mind backing that up? Also, what about taxes? I mentioned them in my original argument.

They're spending their money on daily life. On the products that the companies (that your investors invest in) make. Is there data stating otherwise?

I'm not arguing as much as I am questioning here, guys.
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We're not going to grow the economy on toilet paper and tooth paste.
 
wtfkenneth said:
I tried googling Social vs Military, but the results weren't really applicable. Would you mind backing that up? Also, what about taxes? I mentioned them in my original argument.

They're spending their money on daily life. On the products that the companies (that your investors invest in) make. Is there data stating otherwise?

I'm not arguing as much as I am questioning here, guys.
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If you invest in Company X, you get a return from your investment on the business they do.
If the Gov't takes money from you in Taxes, you can only hope that comes back to your though your investments.

Which one has the higher yield and chances to grow your money?


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MrVicchio said:
If you invest in Company X, you get a return from your investment on the business they do.
If the Gov't takes money from you in Taxes, you can only hope that comes back to your though your investments.

Which one has the higher yield and chances to grow your money?


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Look Ma! Another ****ty pie chart where the colors all look the same. *facepalm*
:shrug: Seriously - what is *what* on that chart?

Aside that - I'm extremely pissed over the Union crap. Not the bill-debate. I think that is just a part of the process really - but the teacher's on strike - school's closed.

That means parents have to stop working = no hours clocked = no pay for the shafted employees - and college parents have to be home with their kids. Are colleges going to flex? These union-bothered teachers are self centered, not concerned with the actual 'values' that they claim to uphold by being teachers - and are throwing every single family that is NOT involved in this problem under the bus.

It's foul - absolutely horrid.

When I worked for hourly pay I can't imagine how much my children would have suffered from this type of situation - if I didn't work they didn't have food. :shrug:
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Look Ma! Another ****ty pie chart where the colors all look the same. *facepalm*

:shrug: Seriously - what is *what* on that chart?
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To the right there is this thing called a "legend"
The legend tells you what each bar or column or line or pie slice etc. represents on your chart. It is usually colour-coded to help you and has the names beside them that are got from your spreadsheet or just as Series1, Series2 etc., if you did not specify names.

Read more: Answers.com - What is legend in excel chart
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I was asked to provide some evidence social spending > military spending, this shows my point.
Military Type Spending:
DoD spending:
16.6%
Global War on Terror:
5%
TTL:
21%

Social Spending:
SS:
21%
Medicare:
13.3
Unemployment Welfare:
11.2%
Medicaide 7.2%
TTL:
42.7%

Nuff said.
 
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I think it goes from largest to smallest, top to bottom (thanks for the chart btw)


So why is everything about investors?
 
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MrVicchio said:
To the right there is this thing called a "legend"
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I see - I see.
"this is the legend of the mysterious pie chart world in which everything share a relation and not a domain!" . . . :D

I was asked to provide some evidence social spending > military spending, this shows my point.
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wtfkenneth said:
I think it goes from largest to smallest, top to bottom (thanks for the chart btw)


So why is everything about investors?
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Investors are the source of capital that get's small business going and helps large business expand.
 
MrVicchio said:
Investors are the source of capital that get's small business going and helps large business expand.
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And those who aren't in a position to invest don't matter?
 
wtfkenneth said:
And those who aren't in a position to invest don't matter?
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If they want to be in a position to invest, they can get out there and put themselves in a position to invest. Hard work is a good start.
 
wtfkenneth said:
And those who aren't in a position to invest don't matter?
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Where do you get from my posts that they do not matter?

See, you're flaw is that you think only through Gov't action can they be helped. I think that's doing it bassackwards as it were. Investors promote economic growth, social welfare and program recipients do not. Lack of economic growth hurts the lower end more then the higher end.

I want to help people just as much YOU do, however, I don't think that giving them other peoples money is the way to do it.
 
MrVicchio said:
Where do you get from my posts that they do not matter?

See, you're flaw is that you think only through Gov't action can they be helped. I think that's doing it bassackwards as it were. Investors promote economic growth, social welfare and program recipients do not. Lack of economic growth hurts the lower end more then the higher end.

I want to help people just as much YOU do, however, I don't think that giving them other peoples money is the way to do it.
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I meant to the economy. They don't matter to the economy?

I have also experienced first hand that it is not easy to get a job. It's not that I'm not trying, it's that others aren't hiring. So it doesn't really matter how much hard work I put in. It doesn't help that I'm young and don't have a degree yet.
 
wtfkenneth said:
I meant to the economy. They don't matter to the economy?

I have also experienced first hand that it is not easy to get a job. It's not that I'm not trying, it's that others aren't hiring. So it doesn't really matter how much hard work I put in. It doesn't help that I'm young and don't have a degree yet.
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Unemployment is at 17%, of course it's going to be hard to land a job.
 
wtfkenneth said:
I meant to the economy. They don't matter to the economy?

I have also experienced first hand that it is not easy to get a job. It's not that I'm not trying, it's that others aren't hiring. So it doesn't really matter how much hard work I put in. It doesn't help that I'm young and don't have a degree yet.
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If you are a net drain on the economy you are a detriment.

Of course it's not easy, life isn't easy. You have to have a skill others want to pay you for. Experience, hard work, education all bring skills you can market to the table.
 
wtfkenneth said:
I meant to the economy. They don't matter to the economy?

I have also experienced first hand that it is not easy to get a job. It's not that I'm not trying, it's that others aren't hiring. So it doesn't really matter how much hard work I put in. It doesn't help that I'm young and don't have a degree yet.
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Everyone matters in the economy, however you must understand how the market works. First of all, I hate the term "trickle down economics." It implies that the rich will spend more money on goods and somehow this will create jobs for the US. In reality, there just aren't enough rich people for this to make sense.

What it boils down to is that in any market, there must be both producers and consumers. Generally, the only way to become wealthy in a market economy is to produce something that consumers are willing to pay for.

This is where the marginal tax rate comes in. If the tax rate is 90%, there is very little incentive for the rich to produce, as the profit of margin is so high, as is the risk. However, the incentive is much greater to produce if you are paying say 20% in taxes. All fairly common sense.

If the marginal tax rate becomes to high in an investors opinion, then ultimately progress is halted.

I actually support supply side economics and our country has far and away seen our biggest expansions after tax cuts, most notably Harding-Coolidge in the 20's, Kennedy-Johnson in the 60's and Reagan in the 80's.

The problem is that since the 80's, both parties have been out of control in spending and both need to reign it in. Be it entitlements for the democrats or military spending for the republicans, it needs to stop.

I only fear that we've gone too far, need to halt progress, pay for our sins, be it through across the board budget cuts or taxation, and learn from our lessons.
 
Here is the official report from the State of Wisconsin Fiscal Bureau. Read it and you can see how the new Governor helped manufacture this so called crisis just to be able to attempt to do what he is now doing.

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/2011_01_31Vos&Darling.pdf


2010-11
Revenues

Opening Balance, July 1 $25,718,100
Taxes 12,691,400,000
Departmental Revenues
Tribal Gaming 22,330,300
Other 833,733,300
Total Available $13,573,181,700

Appropriations

Gross Appropriations $14,109,283,800
Compensation Reserves 95,962,700
Biennial Appropriation Adjustment -242,677,200
Sum Sufficient Reestimates -121,637,800
Less Lapses -389,112,600
Net Appropriations $13,451,818,900

Balances

Gross Balance $121,362,800
Less Required Statutory Balance -65,000,000
Net Balance, June 30 $56,362,800
 
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MrVicchio said:
The only concern Jesse Jackson has for "working people" is how he can use them for money.
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one shows concerns for workers or for the privlidged...i'm thinkin "y'all votin republican?"
 
diablo45 said:
or perhaps showing concern for working people
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Yeah! :lamo

That's it.

Where was that dip **** when Obama shut down drilling in the GOM? Jesse doesn't seem to be too concerned for all those working people.
 
apdst said:
Yeah! :lamo

That's it.

Where was that dip **** when Obama shut down drilling in the GOM? Jesse doesn't seem to be too concerned for all those working people.
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no, because of what happened in the gulf..(you do remember?)
 
diablo45 said:
no, because of what happened in the gulf..(you do remember?)
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oh yes I think everyone remembers, but liberal like yourself seem to forget things like this ..

Mr. Cassidy, who said the IG’s conclusions will come as “bitter news” to about 12,000 workers who lost their jobs because of the moratorium, noted that the administration ignored later arguments by five of the panel’s seven scientists in favor of targeted inspections over a blanket ban – something he said violated Mr. Obama’s vow to let science, and not politics, guide his policies.
The IG investigation revealed that an aide to White House energy adviser Carol M. Browner who was making last-minute edits to the Interior report inserted language into the executive summary saying an independent seven-member panel had signed off on the recommendations in the document.
That implied that the experts had approved of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar’s proposal to ban deep-water drilling when they hadn’t even been consulted on the matter. Interior merely had asked them to peer-review a slate of drilling-safety recommendations.
“The White House edit of the original DOI draft executive summary led to the implication that the moratorium recommendation had been peer-reviewed by the experts,” concludes the IG report, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Times.

Or in simple terms Obama's "lies" only cost 12,000 people to lose their jobs, yeah I can see his concern for working folks.
 
The Barbarian said:
oh yes I think everyone remembers, but liberal like yourself seem to forget things like this ..

Mr. Cassidy, who said the IG’s conclusions will come as “bitter news” to about 12,000 workers who lost their jobs because of the moratorium, noted that the administration ignored later arguments by five of the panel’s seven scientists in favor of targeted inspections over a blanket ban – something he said violated Mr. Obama’s vow to let science, and not politics, guide his policies.
The IG investigation revealed that an aide to White House energy adviser Carol M. Browner who was making last-minute edits to the Interior report inserted language into the executive summary saying an independent seven-member panel had signed off on the recommendations in the document.
That implied that the experts had approved of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar’s proposal to ban deep-water drilling when they hadn’t even been consulted on the matter. Interior merely had asked them to peer-review a slate of drilling-safety recommendations.
“The White House edit of the original DOI draft executive summary led to the implication that the moratorium recommendation had been peer-reviewed by the experts,” concludes the IG report, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Times.

Or in simple terms Obama's "lies" only cost 12,000 people to lose their jobs, yeah I can see his concern for working folks.
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the gulf was caused by weak legislation of environmental laws, no matter what you and fake news come up with
 
haymarket said:
Here is the official report from the State of Wisconsin Fiscal Bureau. Read it and you can see how the new Governor helped manufacture this so called crisis just to be able to attempt to do what he is now doing.

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/2011_01_31Vos&Darling.pdf


2010-11
Revenues

Opening Balance, July 1 $25,718,100
Taxes 12,691,400,000
Departmental Revenues
Tribal Gaming 22,330,300
Other 833,733,300
Total Available $13,573,181,700

Appropriations

Gross Appropriations $14,109,283,800
Compensation Reserves 95,962,700
Biennial Appropriation Adjustment -242,677,200
Sum Sufficient Reestimates -121,637,800
Less Lapses -389,112,600
Net Appropriations $13,451,818,900

Balances

Gross Balance $121,362,800
Less Required Statutory Balance -65,000,000
Net Balance, June 30 $56,362,800
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I would love to hear how Scott Walker had anything to do with creating Wisconsin's 10-11 budget. Anyone care to take that one on?
 
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