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Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

haymarket said:
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People engaged in their First Amendment rights look like thugs to you?!?!?!?

Are you an American who believes in the rights afforded to citizen under the US Constitution?
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Ahhh, so you have no problem when people put crosshairs on the noses of elected officials ???
 
haymarket said:
from Gill



People engaged in their First Amendment rights look like thugs to you?!?!?!?

Are you an American who believes in the rights afforded to citizen under the US Constitution?
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LOL, good gawd, dude. Give it up.

You can't defer forever. The costly favors and benefits that Dems have been heaping on unions for years had a price, but we kept deferring that price to another day.

This is that "another day". The rubber has met the road. The loan has been called due. And guess what? The kitty's empty.

Tough, tough measures HAVE to be taken, and cuts have to be made.

Besides, teachers aren't teachers anymore. They come from a different cloth, more interested in having the summer months off and guaranteed union pay. Did we have so many teachers having sex with students 25 years ago? No, it's a new phenomenon, brought on by a different style of teacher today.

I can't imagine 1,100 teachers calling in sick on a school day in 1985. No way. Then again, teachers weren't so overwhelmingly liberal in those days either.
 
Chappy said:
Somehow, legislators leaving their home, their families, their constituents doesn't strike me as cowardly. It sounds like a last recourse. It stops the process temporarily for lack of a quorum and gives the people of the state a chance to examine what's being ramrodded through the legislature. But, ultimately these senators, they're Wisconsin patriots or should I say ‘Packers’? They'll go home but not before Wisconsin voters have a chance to see what is being done in their name.
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You've got to wonder just what people would have said if all the Republicans had left DC during the vote for HCR.

I do know this though. If I had left my job I would have been fired without the manager even blinking.
 
Gapeach said:
How is cutting spending making the rich, richer? Why can't the unions pay for their own healthcare and plan their own retirement as many other Americans must do out of their OWN paychecks?
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You seem to forget that people that are like Obama like to redistribute the wealth. So anything like this automatically means that the other side is just trying to make the rich richer.
 
from Erod

Besides, teachers aren't teachers anymore. They come from a different cloth, more interested in having the summer months off and guaranteed union pay. Did we have so many teachers having sex with students 25 years ago? No, it's a new phenomenon, brought on by a different style of teacher today.
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So what was it like when you were a pubic school teacher 25 years ago?

I would love to compare experiences with you.
 
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haymarket said:
Here is the report from the Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/2011_01_31Vos&Darling.pdf

This budget crisis is as phony as a three dollar bill drawn with a magic marker.
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Face it. The gig is up. Liberalism has failed, much like multiculturalism in Europe.

There is nowhere left to turn, no other vault to steal from. Socialism fails when you run out of other people's money to spend.

Huge cuts are unavoidable now. You've got to make your own way now, not rely on the government teet.

The money's run dry. The national debt is monstrously huge. There is no way out. The gig is up.

Time to suck it up, go to work, and handle things by yourself. I know that hurts.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
You seem to forget that people that are like Obama like to redistribute the wealth. So anything like this automatically means that the other side is just trying to make the rich richer.
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Your exactly right. While many hard working Americans have saved through out their lives, we should now start taking what they have earned and give it to people who decided to settle to flipping burgers for the rest of their lives. No striving to improve their situation, just content at what they have and what can be GIVEN to them.
 
Erod said:
Face it. The gig is up. Liberalism has failed, much like multiculturalism in Europe.

There is nowhere left to turn, no other vault to steal from. Socialism fails when you run out of other people's money to spend.

Huge cuts are unavoidable now. You've got to make your own way now, not rely on the government teet.

The money's run dry. The national debt is monstrously huge. There is no way out. The gig is up.

Time to suck it up, go to work, and handle things by yourself. I know that hurts.
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Why did you reprint my post on the Wisconsin Fiscal Agency showing that the radical right wing governor manufactured the crisis himself and then not even say a word about it? Normally, when one reprints the words from another poster, they then say something in support or to refute it. You did neither.
 
Erod said:
So the average teacher in Wisconsin receives $100K in salary and benefits per year.

http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/average-mps-teacher-compensation-tops-100kyear/

Wow, not bad for teaching 3rd graders how to multiply and divide.
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the link you have shows nothing of the kind.

this from OneWisconsinNow


Be warned: The MacIver Institute is a not a news service. It is not a member of the traditional media. It is a right wing educational “charitable” organization and it is gathering footage to advance its conservative, anti-worker agenda.

Talking to the MacIver Institute is abetting the conservative movement in its efforts to ensure progressive values and issues are not a part of the public policy debate. MacIver has spent considerable time criticizing the 2009-11 state budget, the Recovery Act, reforming the health insurance industry and stopping global climate change.

MacIver is financed and run by leading conservatives, many with long ties to the Republican Party. Speaking on camera with the MacIver Institute helps the conservative movement by giving legitimacy to its faux “reporting,” as its “interviews” are regularly posted on the MacIver website.

WHO IS THE MACIVER INSTITUTE
The MacIver Institute is a conservative, pro-corporate organization founded in 2009 to advance conservative ideas and values. Its top staff is long-time Republican campaign strategists and its board of directors includes leading Republicans, most notably Mark Block, the head of Americans for Prosperity-WI, Fred Lubar, deep-pocketed Republican donor and Jim Troupis, lawyer to leading Republicans such as Assembly Speaker Scott Jensen and ethically-challenged Supreme Court Justices Mike Gableman and Annette Ziegler.

Staff: MacIver’s top staffers include both the former Chief of Staff to Scott Jensen and former GOP state senate caucus head and campaign strategist for top Republicans including Attorney General JB Van Hollen.

Jensen Ties: Initially, MacIver attempted to distance itself from Jensen, stating through a spokesperson that the former Assembly Speaker has no “formal role” with the organization. An investigation by Eye On Wisconsin's Cory Liebmann revealed that the properties of several initial communications from MacIver included the electronic imprint of Scott Jensen. Milwaukee Magazine also talked with Jensen about his involvement and after a preliminary denial, the reporter wrote “Later, Jensen amended that he is a consultant and his ‘main client’ is Alliance for School Choices.” [Milwaukee Magazine.com, 3/10/09]
 
MACIVER METHODS
MacIver has begun dispatching a new staffer, former Rock County television reporter Bill Osmulski, to events to film events and create conservative propaganda pieces as “news reports.” These “reports” are put onto the MacIver website and available for public consumption.

ISSUE TARGETS
MacIver hews to the standard conservative lines and its talking points are echoed in the arguments of the state’s leading Republican elected officials. It has referred to the 2009-11 state budget as “$12.8 billion of bad” and “driven by politics and devoid of principle,” has called health insurance reforms at the federal level “budget busting” and has criticized cap and trade. Its top target though, has been the federal Recovery Act and the use of those funds by the state legislature. In repeated postings on its website, MacIver attempts to make the case the legislature and the federal government failed in efforts to solve the economic crisis created by the failed policies of the Bush administration and that the legislature and federal government have failed to create much-needed jobs. [MacIver Institute Website]

CREDIBILITY
Immediately after it hired its phony news “reporter,” MacIver was plunged into controversy when it was confirmed the MacIver staffer had gotten an interview with two elected officials by allowing the two elected officials “to think he was just interviewing the two politicians for a local television station, all three men confirmed...” [Wisconsin State Journal, 9/5/09]

CONSIDERATIONS
One Wisconsin Now supports healthy and vibrant public policy discussions and this rightfully requires public officials to regularly talk with the media. This does not apply to the MacIver Institute, an ideologically-driven organization, created to advance a policy agenda, in this case an ultra-conservative one.

The good news is MacIver can only film and put on its website what an individual says on camera. Any progressive who suddenly finds a MacIver camera thrust in his or her face should consider responding with a smiling response of “I am not interested in speaking with Scott Jensen’s right wing think tank.” As MacIver has been less-than-forthright about Jensen’s potential involvement in its operation, it would be interesting to see if they would post this video on their website.
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Here is my take on the situation, it really doesn't matter what happens, because either way this pans out, the union's pension funds are going to be greatly reduced.



So here is the situation, they can either do things willingly, and get the best deal they can get, or they can just wait until the state runs out of money, unlike the federal government, Wisconsin can't print what they need, so what is going to happen when the money just runs out, you can hang the politicians, riot in the streets, burn down buildings, do anything you want, that is not going to make money magically appear.

It's kind of like a person going out and running up his credit cards to the max, it's the end of the month, the bills are here, and there is zero in your checking account. Years of fiscal irresponsibility and unrestrained spending, has met up with reality. Blame whomever you want, if thats what makes you feel good, but the bottom line is, there just isn't enough money..... you can either accept reality, or drink your magic potion, and pretend that isn't the problem.
 
haymarket said:
Why did you reprint my post on the Wisconsin Fiscal Agency showing that the radical right wing governor manufactured the crisis himself and then not even say a word about it? Normally, when one reprints the words from another poster, they then say something in support or to refute it. You did neither.
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Again, the gig is up. Time to pay up. And pretty soon, time to vote again. I can't wait.
 
These union scum who didn't show up to teach, like thier democrat buddies all should be fired and have thier pensions forfieted.

Whats the sticking point? 5.8% towards thier own pensions?

State budgets everywhere need cutting. But these dirtbags are willing to harm our childeren for thier selfishness.
 
Tell you what, why don't you folks dock them their pay while they are awol?

Khayembii Communique said:
So let's say for example that the republican (or democrat, just to not be partisan) majority vote to legalize slavery, and it was the same case. Would you then support them boycotting to keep the bill from being passed, or would you support the passage of slavery in the silly name of "doing your job"?

In other words, this is the democrats doing their job. Finally.



Then put it to a referendum. I guarantee it will fail miserably. But Walker already knows that, which is why he isn't discussing this with anyone.



Oh? Why does it need to be passed?
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haymarket said:
EROD

when are you going to correct this blatant lie or provide back-up for your claim which is woefully missing in your ridiculous link which has been discredited?
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not a teacher on that list........
 
They ARE thugs....but they are YOUR thugs right?

haymarket said:
from Gill



People engaged in their First Amendment rights look like thugs to you?!?!?!?

Are you an American who believes in the rights afforded to citizen under the US Constitution?
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haymarket said:
EROD

when are you going to correct this blatant lie or provide back-up for your claim which is woefully missing in your ridiculous link which has been discredited?
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As soon as your beloved party of Wisconsin lawmakers decides to return to their home state, and your unionized teachers get back to the classroom where they belong.
 
You know come to think of it. I think republicans pulled a "leave the state" stunt a few years ago. I dont remember...

Anyway political posturing is one thing, but being a selfish union prick and not showing up for work teaching kids?

Unions have long outlived thier usefulness and while these idiots dont go to work, think the asshole union bosses are losing any money?

These idiots are pawns for the real crooks.
 
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Dems did it in Texas years ago.

ReverendHellh0und said:
You know come to think of it. I think republicans pulled a "leave the state" stunt a few years ago. I dont remember...

Anyway political posturing is one thing, but being a selfish union prick and not showing up for work teaching kids?

Unions have long outlived thier usefulness and while these idiots dont go to work, think the asshole union bosses are losing any money?

These idiots are pawns for the real crooks.
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Honestly, I'm surprised not one of these 13 Democrats is willing to return from hiding like a coward. Things like this anger me. Seriously, these cowardly fools need to grow a pair and stop their repression of Democracy. Some protestors in Wisconsin are calling their Republican governor a dictator and comparing him to hilter and Mubarak. From what I see, it's their governor who is pushing for Democracy and their Democrats who are the real dictators, in that they will dictate their will as a minority by repressing democracy
 
digsbe said:
Honestly, I'm surprised not one of these 13 Democrats is willing to return from hiding like a coward. Things like this anger me. Seriously, these cowardly fools need to grow a pair and stop their repression of Democracy. Some protestors in Wisconsin are calling their Republican governor a dictator and comparing him to hilter and Mubarak. From what I see, it's their governor who is pushing for Democracy and their Democrats who are the real dictators, in that they will dictate their will as a minority by repressing democracy
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True, and the union is acting like the taliban.
 
Erod said:
As soon as your beloved party of Wisconsin lawmakers decides to return to their home state, and your unionized teachers get back to the classroom where they belong.
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this is your response to my question about your false claim?

EROD

when are you going to correct this blatant lie or provide back-up for your claim which is woefully missing in your ridiculous link which has been discredited?
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Have you no integrity sir?

Have you no respect for the truth sir?

Have you no ability to admit you were in error sir?

Have you no sense of honor sir?

This has nothing at all to do with lawmakers returning or staying away. It is about the very simple claim that you made that

So the average teacher in Wisconsin receives $100K in salary and benefits per year.

http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/...tops-100kyear/

Wow, not bad for teaching 3rd graders how to multiply and divide.
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