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Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

diablo45 said:
nope, morality says keep the greddy from greater control
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The unions are the greedy ones. Looks like the Righties are doing the right thing, here.
 
diablo45 said:
yeah, you do......civil rights in the 60's. appartied in s.africa
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Oh, I see it coming. It's going to be the route to Obama's dictatorship.

This brew-ha-ha in Wisconsin is just the beginning.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
I asked you about destroying collective bargaining, not giving less benefits, which the unions have already volunteered. You openly admit you didn't answer my question.

You also of course didn't even bother to address the hundreds of millions, if not billions, added to the deficit through tax cuts.
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Collecting bargaining goes hand in hand with giving benefits. I support decreasing union power to a level that it economically feasible and fair to everyone in the workforce. It's not right for government employees to have fat benefits at the expense of taxpayers.

Why must I explain and address tax cuts? If you must know, I support cutting spending and taxes to keep a small government that provides necessities. States and the federal government are spending far more than what they take in through taxes. Please explain how they government should increase their revenues to balance the budget and allow for such increased spending.
 
apdst said:
That's not true. The bill would only make them pay 12% into their own pension. That's fair, compared to raising taxes on an already over-taxed private sector.
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Are you saying that when the first pensions were implemented, it wasn’t held up as a slice of the pie that will go into the pension fund and this amount will go into wages? If you’re saying that your delusional.
 
Why must I explain and address tax cuts? If you must know, I support cutting spending and taxes to keep a small government that provides necessities. States and the federal government are spending far more than what they take in through taxes. Please explain how they government should increase their revenues to balance the budget and allow for such increased spending.
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You know that tax cuts increase the deficit...
 
donc said:
Are you saying that when the first pensions were implemented, it wasn’t held up as a slice of the pie that will go into the pension fund and this amount will go into wages? If you’re saying that your delusional.
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No, I'm saying that the bill will fund 88% of the pension funds rather than 100%.

Hey, like The Messiah said, everyone has to get some skin in the game.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
You know that tax cuts increase the deficit...
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Yes, which is why I said we need to decrease spending in order to meet a balanced budget that factors in those tax cuts. I said the government should shrink to provide necessities and prevent wasteful spending.
 
Yes, which is why I said we need to decrease spending in order to meet a balanced budget that factors in those tax cuts. I said the government should shrink to provide necessities and prevent wasteful spending.
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Okay, so you support decreasing spending and decreasing taxes...
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Okay, so you support decreasing spending and decreasing taxes...
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Yes I do. I support decreasing spending vastly and cutting taxes in order to meet a balanced budget that results in a much smaller, efficient government.
 
digsbe said:
Yes I do. I support decreasing spending vastly and cutting taxes in order to meet a balanced budget that results in a much smaller, efficient government.
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and your opines concerning the wealthy and the godless corporations?"
 
“Some of what I've heard coming out of Wisconsin, where you're just making it harder for public employees to collectively bargain generally seems like more of an assault on unions. And I think it's very important for us to understand that public employees, they're our neighbors, they're our friends. These are folks who are teachers and they're firefighters and they're social workers and they're police officers.

“They make a lot of sacrifices and make a big contribution. And I think it's important not to vilify them or to suggest that somehow all these budget problems are due to public employees.”

— President Barack Obama¹​

Wow, a Republican Governor not allowing a financial crisis of his own making to go to waste. Imagine that!
 
apdst said:
No, I'm saying that the bill will fund 88% of the pension funds rather than 100%.

Hey, like The Messiah said, everyone has to get some skin in the game.
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You said that its
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when I posted this
“Not to mention that in past contracts that they gave up wages in lieu of a pension plan?
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“Now show me where its not true.
 
diablo45 said:
and your opines concerning the wealthy and the godless corporations?"
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What does this have to do with this topic or argument? What do you mean by my opinion of the "wealthy" and "godless corporations"?
 
digsbe said:
Collecting bargaining goes hand in hand with giving benefits. I support decreasing union power to a level that it economically feasible and fair to everyone in the workforce. It's not right for government employees to have fat benefits at the expense of taxpayers.

Why must I explain and address tax cuts? If you must know, I support cutting spending and taxes to keep a small government that provides necessities. States and the federal government are spending far more than what they take in through taxes. Please explain how they government should increase their revenues to balance the budget and allow for such increased spending.
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only union workers get living wages....are you suggesting working people get "market wages"? great for the gop (and the wealthy)
 
diablo45 said:
only union workers get living wages....are you suggesting working people get "market wages"? great for the gop (and the wealthy)
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Incorrect. The pharmacists I work with are not unionized and they make living wages. The technicians I work with are not unionized and they do as well. The problem is greedy individuals try to define and set "living wages" as too high, and unfairly reap benefits that are not merited for their jobs and productivity. It's especially greedy for them to have outlandish benefits at the taxpayers' expense.
 
Baralis said:
Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job - FoxNews.com




I feel any elected official that flees his/her jurisdiction to avoid having to do their jobs should be fired.
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The voters of these democrat politicians voted for them to oppose most of the things republicans support just like the voters of republicans voted for republicans to oppose things democrats support. If these politicians have to flee town to accomplish this then so be it. Hopefully republicans return the favor. These democrats are doing their jobs by fleeing,unless they ran on a anti-union platform.
 
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This struggle isn't about what is good for Wisconsin. This is in your face politics by Governor Walker, pure and simple.

Excerpted from “Walker tells Democratic Senators to come back to work” Published February 17, 2011 - BizTimes Daily
[SIZE="+2"]W[/SIZE]alker’s bill would revoke the collective bargaining rights of thousands of teachers, nurses and other public employees.

Police officers, firefighters and State Patrol officers would be exempt from the bill. Their unions contributed to Walker’s election campaign.
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Chappy said:
This struggle isn't about what is good for Wisconsin. This is in your face politics by Governor Walker, pure and simple.
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Or maybe it's about cowardly politics by the state senate Democrats? Or maybe a little of both...
 
digsbe said:
Incorrect. The pharmacists I work with are not unionized and they make living wages. The technicians I work with are not unionized and they do as well. The problem is greedy individuals try to define and set "living wages" as too high, and unfairly reap benefits that are not merited for their jobs and productivity. It's especially greedy for them to have outlandish benefits at the taxpayers' expense.
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sir, how much do you think your wages would be cut if your donald trumf stupid people could kill the union we have protecting your decent wage?
 
donc said:
You said that its when I posted this “Now show me where its not true.
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That's not the part of your post I was referring to, but don't let the facts get in your way, driver. 42?
 
Chappy said:
This struggle isn't about what is good for Wisconsin. This is in your face politics by Governor Walker, pure and simple.
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The People elected this guy. How do you argue with that?
 
The Giant Noodle said:
This has nothing to do for "the rich". Dude spending is too high and these union members dont deserve a pension. Not in this economy. They need to do what every other human should do..... prepare for after retirement. This isnt a corporate greed issue. This is a tax payer issue. Its not like these workers are suffering because of their pay. Hell techers dont even work the whole year and they get paid more than ME! Screw THAT!
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This issue has nothing to do with the budget or pay, it about stripping the unions of their collective bargaining rights.
 
diablo45 said:
sir, how much do you think your wages would be cut if your donald trumf stupid people could kill the union we have protecting your decent wage?
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No union has protected my wages. I am not a union employee. And Donald Trump stupid people? I believe unions have their place, but they power has grown to large. Again though, my wage and benefits are not protected by any union. I am not a union employee.
 
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