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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The Village is a nice place, and might have done well to be at such a place before she died. That siad, like always, you really don't comprehen any thing argued. So, I'm moving on. :bye:
    Irony --- is a wonderful thing.

    And yes, the person who pays into the system their entire lives who has the bad fortune to die at 64 gets bupkus, as do their heirs. It's free money. But lets not foget that person also gets taxed on their demise and their estate must pay taxes as well, so it's a double hit.

    I think many people may prefer the government to send over a professional thug and just steal what they can out of houses instead of doing it the way it's done now. We'd be better off and only feel the pain temporarily.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD
    ...adjusted from 2002 to 2010 dollars is $35,000
    A lot less than $100,000, isn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD
    ...who has been involved with three generations of teachers and is out of touch with private sector reality
    I retired from the private sector at age 50. You still working?

    Point being, I'm at an age where retirement is a pretty common topic of conversation. With two of the three generations retired - as are most of their friends - I know and have heard just about everything there is to know about teacher retirement. The wife is on my medical insurance plan because the teachers medical health care plan is way too expensive. This is the case with most of her friends that have spouses in or retired from the private sector. The teacher's I know don't have free medical care the rest of their lives and at age 65 they have to go to Medicare as do most people retired from private companies.

    The USA article seems to be saying...We want to drag you (unions) down rather than rise to your level.
    We just simply dont know how to govern - Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) a member of the House Budget Committee

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Workers are starting to strategize for what is going to be done in the event that this passes. There is word of a public sector general strike, although I don't know how seriously it is being discussed. Workers are starting to correctly reject conceding on cuts as well, which means that people here are talking and engaging in debate and developing an idea of what is actually going on here. Solidarity demonstrations are being held all across the country. If Wisconsin workers succeed in their struggle against the union busting in WI, this could be the start of a resurgence of labor struggles throughout the country, something that has been lacking for the past 30-40 years.
    I think that you are wandering off the reservation on this issue and chasing wildflowers in the wind.
    You completely neglected to distinguish between public and private sector unions and such is cogent to this discussion. Public sector unions differ in many ways, but one that must be noted is legally. Private sector are controlled by the federal government and the NLRB and national labor laws. Not so the public sector and with good reason. The TAXPAYER is given more direct control with states mandating regulations and rules
    It's easy for these public servive unions to violate law and seek public sympathy, because they only have the indirect peoples' representatives known as politicians to deal with so their tactic is to use every means to pressure them. Easy to do when you don't have to confront the taxpayer with blood dripping from his eye sockets across the negotiating table and YOU KNOW IT.

    For more I dug these short pieces up:

    David Brooks provides a helpful guide to the perplexed:
    In Wisconsin and elsewhere, state-union relations are structurally out of whack.

    That's because public sector unions and private sector unions are very different creatures. Private sector unions push against the interests of shareholders and management; public sector unions push against the interests of taxpayers. Private sector union members know that their employers could go out of business, so they have an incentive to mitigate their demands; public sector union members work for state monopolies and have no such interest.

    Private sectors unions confront managers who have an incentive to push back against their demands. Public sector unions face managers who have an incentive to give into them for the sake of their own survival. Most important, public sector unions help choose those they negotiate with. Through gigantic campaign contributions and overall clout, they have enormous influence over who gets elected to bargain with them, especially in state and local races.

    There isn't much doubt, as Richard Cohen explains, that this imbalance has resulted in some grotesque outcomes. He writes:
    In New York City, the No. 2 guy in the fire department retired on a pension worth $242,000 a year. In New York State, a single official holding two jobs and one pension took in $641,000. A lieutenant with the Port Authority police retired with an annual pension of $196,767, and 738 of the city's teachers, principals and such have pensions worth more than $100,000 a year. Their former employer, it goes almost without saying, is steamed. Their former employer is me.

    These examples of pension obesity were culled from the local newspapers, which never fail to shock with revelations of how good life is for those who once worked for the city, the state or any one of several public agencies. In some cases, retirement came a mere 20 or so years after first reporting to HR and, if you were lucky enough to fake a disability - oh, my aching back! - the sky is virtually the limit. Fully one-third of all New York City cops who retired during a recent 17-month period did so on disability. They have dangerous jobs, we all know - but not nearly as dangerous as Long Island Rail Road workers. Almost all of them retired on disability. All aboard!

    Is it any wonder that even private-sector union members have had it with their public union comrades?
    In view of all this I would opine that public service unions are digging their own graves. Not too long you'll hear of one state starting to legislate, by public law, public employee unions out...period. That will start the backlash and the heretofore Silent Majority of taxpayers will be heard from.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    concerning collective bargaining for public employees---just who do these big unions give their hundreds of millions of dollars of campaign contributions to?

    and just WHY do these big unions give so much money to the people they give their money to?

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    concerning collective bargaining for public employees---just who do these big unions give their hundreds of millions of dollars of campaign contributions to?

    and just WHY do these big unions give so much money to the people they give their money to?
    People who support their issues because they support their issues?

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The Village is a nice place
    yes, it's a lovely PRIVATELY run charity

    and gramma put a half mil into soc sec and got SQUAT



    That siad, like always, you really don't comprehen any thing argued.
    says the unlucky linkless who cites OPINION pieces by madison STUDENTS and the drug tested founder of JOURNOLIST

    LOL!

    So, I'm moving on. :bye:
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    People who support their issues because they support their issues?
    yup

    at the cost of hundreds of millions of dollars

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Having your arms and legs severed off would not be fundamental reform.
    It would be radical amputation of vital limbs that serve a valuable purpose.
    okay...

    and removing that which contributes to TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS of underfunded public pensions would be...

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    yes, it's a lovely PRIVATELY run charity

    and gramma put a half mil into soc sec and got SQUAT





    says the unlucky linkless who cites OPINION pieces by madison STUDENTS and the drug tested founder of JOURNOLIST

    LOL!



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    They take federal and state dollars. Just saying.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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