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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I see the Unions diminishing further as States are forced to slam the Unions down and the Public realizes how badly the Unions have driven both Government and Private sectors to the edge of disaster.
    I'm well familiar with the meme - blame unions for budget deficits and a bad economy. It's well-orchestrated and found abundantly on literlly every right wing echo chamber outlet. I don't 'debate' talking points.

    I see Walker's putsch leading on only one outcome - strengthened resolve in the worker's camp, and for them a better definition of their foes here - the plutocrats.

    So far the Billionaire Coup (Frank Rich's term) has been quite successful, but don't count the people out just yet.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoma View Post
    Walker has let the genie out of the bottle. The Labor Movement, after years of steady decline, will surely benefit by these showdowns in WI, OH, and IN - just for starters. As this plutocrat putsch unfolds, look for more citizen awareness, and strong public objections to their agenda.

    Blowback is an activist reactionary's constant companion. Throughtout history they have inevitably jumped the shark and ruined the best laid plans of the plutocrats.
    too abstruse, abbie hoffman

    ie, not in times like these

    FT: US Public Pensions Face $2.5 Trillion Shortfall

    cuz TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS of underfunded public TRUST---that's an awful lotta reaction

    seeya at people's park, pal, put on patchouli

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    too abstruse, abbie hoffman

    ie, not in times like these

    FT: US Public Pensions Face $2.5 Trillion Shortfall

    cuz TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS of underfunded public TRUST---that's an awful lotta reaction

    seeya at people's park, pal, put on patchouli
    No content, only silly right wing school yard taunts.

    Funny how these staunch deficit hawks can sit around watching literally any one of their Great Leaders blow trillions and trillions on unfunded wars, unfunded tax-cuts for the wealthy, huge unfunded Medicare give-a-ways to Big Pharma, give the Pentagon a blank check year after year etc - and not blink an eye. Now? They're all mini-scrooges screaming like Chicken Little, frothing at the mouth.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by doctorhugo View Post
    I referenced this:
    Source: Court says Wis. must repay malpractice fund $200M - BusinessWeek
    I tried going for a non-biased source. Given who they quoted I didn't doubt the veracity of the $44 million. Can you show me corroboration for that being incorrect? I do note now that that portion is not in quotes, but one is given to believe it's from the same source given the in-context continuity.
    Well, I don't want to dig too far, because it's not too big a contention. But, this is the first i've heard of it, and I have been following the story pretty closely since i live very close to WI (in N. Illinois).

    But here is an article from the Milwauke Journal Sentinel that was projecting the $137 million budget shortfall as far back as 11/2010:

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    The Doyle administration report Friday projected the state would have a paper-thin surplus of $10 million this year out of an annual budget of $13.54 billion.

    But the surplus figure didn't account for potentially higher costs in several state agencies. The current projected shortfall in state Medicaid programs alone is about $148 million, according to the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau. In October, the Office of the State Public Defender estimated its shortfall for this year at more than $9 million. The potential shortfall in the Department of Corrections has not yet been released but could be significant, given the size of the state prison system.
    As for the court case, you are correct that the courts ruled that the democrats illegally raided $200 million from a fund. However, this case is still with the courts and they will be the ones to decide when it has to be paid back. They aren't yet sure if it will have to be included in the current fiscal period or the next. That is unless, of course, a ruling came out today on the timing of paying back the fund that I am not aware of.

    On edit: I now see that the article you posted came out a few months before the one I posted. Apparently they had one of those phantom surpluses half-way through the fiscal period. That obviously quickly dried up and became a deficit just a few months later.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by doctorhugo View Post
    You must be kidding. You impune a governor, any governor, as to his/her integrity for NOT cowtowing and bowing down to a bunch of lawbreakers. "They've agreed.." you said...to what? Conditions they set as irresponsible lawbreakers. Up their collective wazoos!

    You want something to whine about? I'd like to see Republicans in every damned district these coward representatives represent draft recall petitions and send them in to the Gov! Then you'd have something to wring out your bloomers about. Gimme a break.
    Law breakers? Cowtow? That's funny stuff. Not acurate mind you, but funny.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Actually it is a bad thing when you start going backwards through no fault of your own. But the point is that public (and private unions) are and have been giving up recently bargained gains in their living conditions. They're not the big mean, greedy people out to destroy the taxpayers, as betrayed. They're struggling and just trying to get by, like many others. It's a little disheartening to adjust your financial standards downward, while trying to tread water, and then have someone come along and give you a shove on the head.


    Nope, this isn't about Private Unions.

    It's about Gov workers indeed raiding the Tax Payers...they work for the TAXPAYERS......they do not have the "right" to go on strike.

    No, I didn't post anything on union-busting in that post, but what's going on in Wisconsin is but a bigger part of the assault on unions from the right and that didn't just start a couple of weeks ago.

    Feel free to show wher any of this is about Private Unions...I'll be patient.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    "State senators who miss two or more session days will no longer get paid through direct deposit. They'll have to pick up their checks in person on the Senate floor during a session."

    Paychecks To Be Withheld From Absent Wisconsin Senators
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoma View Post
    I'm well familiar with the meme - blame unions for budget deficits and a bad economy. It's well-orchestrated and found abundantly on literlly every right wing echo chamber outlet. I don't 'debate' talking points.

    I see Walker's putsch leading on only one outcome - strengthened resolve in the worker's camp, and for them a better definition of their foes here - the plutocrats.

    So far the Billionaire Coup (Frank Rich's term) has been quite successful, but don't count the people out just yet.
    Of 30 comparable countries, the United States ranks near the bottom. Take math - Finland is first, followed by South Korea, and the United States is number 25. Same story in science: Finland, number one again. The United States? Number 21.

    high school graduation rates, the United States is 20th on the list. Germany, Japan, Korea and the U.K. all do better with graduation rates of 90 percent or more. In the Unites States, it's just 75 percent.

    Where does the United States outrank Finland? On the amount spent per student: just over $129,000 from K through 12. The other countries average $95,000.

    Only a liberal can seen the sense in backing a union, that is at the very heart of this nonsense. Higher costs and diminishing results is not a good business practice, and even more so when we are talking about the future adults of our country.

    "you" may be behind this, but the American public, well .... not so much.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    "State senators who miss two or more session days will no longer get paid through direct deposit. They'll have to pick up their checks in person on the Senate floor during a session."

    Paychecks To Be Withheld From Absent Wisconsin Senators


    I like that. That's funny.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoma View Post
    I don't 'debate' talking points.
    Why not? Forums are for the open exchange of ideas and opinions. Are you that fearful of trying to make intellectual points instead of vague, vacuous and extraneous one-liners?

    I am curious about one thing since you appear to have an opinion on unions and I'll keep it simple. Do you see all unions as pretty much equal?
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