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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    what self respecting poster would cite OPINION pieces by david vines, a STUDENT at madison, and ezra klein, the drug tested founder of JOURNOLIST?

    LOL!

    meanwhile, cnbc, last thursday:

    State Pensions Scramble to Avoid Bankruptcy

    multi trillion dollar shortfalls

    it is what it is, ie, hardly news

    cope, progressives

    it's all YOURS

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Wisconsin State Constitution requires:

    "Oath of office. Section 28. Members of the legislature, and all officers, executive and judicial, except such inferior officers as may be by law exempted, shall before they enter upon the duties of their respective offices, take and subscribe an oath or affirmation to support the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of Wisconsin, and faithfully to discharge the duties of their respective offices to the best of their ability."

    Wisconsin Legislature Data

    Also Wisconsin law requires: "946.12 Misconduct in public office. Any public officer or public employee who does any of the following is guilty of a Class I felony:

    946.12(1)
    (1) Intentionally fails or refuses to perform a known mandatory, nondiscretionary, ministerial duty of the officer's or employee's office or employment within the time or in the manner required by law"

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    You will also note, that each of these state (there are more then one now) those elected officials are fleeing to Democratic controlled states, we have already seen that the democrats have no need, want or will to uphold the laws of this country.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Public unions are and have been making concessions.
    not enough

    too late

    wisconsin is gonna write FUNDAMENTAL REFORM

    and it's gonna spread far and wide

    deal with it

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Broaden your horizons. It's not just about Wisconsin. It's about an attempt at union-busting across the nation. Public unions are and have been making concessions.
    You list these concessions as if they're a bad thing. I see o attempt to "bust unions" from what you've posted. I see an austerity program that's long overdue.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    You're actualyl pretty close, but not exact. I don't believe the state has a 45 million surplus, as you seem to indicate.

    The WI budget is currently scheduled to finish the fiscal period ending 06/11 137 million in the hole. This was mostly due to shortfalls in state medicare. I knew the $200 million raid by the former governor (Doyle) was in the courts, I didn't realize they had ruled on it yet - did that just come down today? Anyway, adding the 200 mill that has to be repaid leaves the state in a nearly $400 mill hole.

    As you correctly indicated, the tax cuts that Ezra Klein and Rachel Maddow were trying to claim caused the shortfall, haven't even taken effect yet. Those tax cuts will affect the next fiscal period.
    I referenced this:
    State Rep. Mark Pocan, co-chairman of the Legislature's budget-writing committee, said it was too early to know whether the decision would force lawmakers back into session to take action before they are scheduled to return in January.

    "We just really don't know at this point," Pocan said.

    The state budget is projected to finish the current fiscal year on June 30 with a balance of $45 million, not enough to absorb a $200 million hit.
    Source: Court says Wis. must repay malpractice fund $200M - BusinessWeek
    I tried going for a non-biased source. Given who they quoted I didn't doubt the veracity of the $44 million. Can you show me corroboration for that being incorrect? I do note now that that portion is not in quotes, but one is given to believe it's from the same source given the in-context continuity.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie
    You list these concessions as if they're a bad thing.
    Actually it is a bad thing when you start going backwards through no fault of your own. But the point is that public (and private unions) are and have been giving up recently bargained gains in their living conditions. They're not the big mean, greedy people out to destroy the taxpayers, as betrayed. They're struggling and just trying to get by, like many others. It's a little disheartening to adjust your financial standards downward, while trying to tread water, and then have someone come along and give you a shove on the head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie
    I see o attempt to "bust unions" from what you've posted. I see an austerity program that's long overdue.
    No, I didn't post anything on union-busting in that post, but what's going on in Wisconsin is but a bigger part of the assault on unions from the right and that didn't just start a couple of weeks ago.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    not enough

    too late

    wisconsin is gonna write FUNDAMENTAL REFORM

    and it's gonna spread far and wide

    deal with it
    Walker has let the genie out of the bottle. The Labor Movement, after years of steady decline, will surely benefit by these showdowns in WI, OH, and IN - just for starters. As this plutocrat putsch unfolds, look for more citizen awareness, and strong public objections to their agenda.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoma View Post
    Walker has let the genie out of the bottle. The Labor Movement, after years of steady decline, will surely benefit by these showdowns in WI, OH, and IN - just for starters. As this plutocrat putsch unfolds, look for more citizen awareness, and strong public objections to their agenda.

    Blowback is an activist reactionary's constant companion. Throughtout history they have inevitably jumped the shark and ruined the best laid plans of the plutocrats.
    I see the Unions diminishing further as States are forced to slam the Unions down and the Public realizes how badly the Unions have driven both Government and Private sectors to the edge of disaster.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Actually it is a bad thing when you start going backwards through no fault of your own. But the point is that public (and private unions) are and have been giving up recently bargained gains in their living conditions. They're not the big mean, greedy people out to destroy the taxpayers, as portrayed. They're struggling and just trying to get by, like many others. It's a little disheartening to adjust your financial standards downward, while trying to tread water, and then have someone come along and give you a shove on the head.


    No, I didn't post anything on union-busting in that post, but what's going on in Wisconsin is but a bigger part of the assault on unions from the right and that didn't just start a couple of weeks ago.
    Corrected for a grammatical error that really throws off your point.

    You're not going to get much sympathy out of private sector employees making half as much and paying 4 times as much into their pensions.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Actually it is a bad thing when you start going backwards through no fault of your own..
    BWG, that describes life in general. It describes every aspect of the free market.

    Why should public teachers be insulated by taxpayers from this reality?

    Where is the innovation in teaching? Why do teachers seem to be getting more and more advanced degrees to teach high school kids? Because they tie salary to them in their pay structure. In the real world you get paid by job duties and performance typically...not simply a degree. Sure fire way to get laughed in the real world, put on your job application you're a genius. It's a clear indicator someone is an idiot.

    Why do they have such extraordinary job stability and how much is that worth? We call that risk-reward. Where is the public sector "risk"? How much does this cost, how much is it worth?

    What about these pensions that pay out $50K-$100K per year...these are valued at something like $1.5-$4M dollars. It's like hitting the jackpot.

    Health care has evolved to have Doctors, PAs, RNs, Urgent Care, etc. Your average medical care is achieved by LESS education. Where is this downard pressure in teaching? It's reversed (!).

    What about a typical corporate ladder. Yeah, you may start answering phones or working the mail room, but as you're trusted you take on more and more responsibility and rise up in the company based on your skill, work ethic, etc. You get paid more for the new job role, not just because you've been there a while. So why is someone teaching high school for 30 years, essentially the same material over and over, expecting to have a steadily climbing salary? If they love it, fine...but you don't need more and more money for that job because we can just hire someone less expensive who needs the money. The teacher needs to move on. 10 years, either enjoy your 3% raise, or get a new job.

    It's not meant out of personal spite. I have family and friends that teach, I know who they are and what they do, and what they make. But anyone who has experience in our marketplace, the engine that pays these people, sees obvious fundamental issues with how it operates. It's natural to want to fight for a sweetheart deal, that's why the innovation of the U.S. form of government *was* such a huge positive change in the world. It took that sweetheart deals away from those who didn't earn them (the nobles, ruling party, etc.)

    Staying at one job for 30 years with millions of value in pension and good overall salary and health insurance on top of that, is not "struggling". Until you compete in the marketplace, the idea of "struggle" doesn't really enter into the picture. It's scary to let go, but if teachers are as skilled and educated as they claim, surely they will have no issue competing with the rest of us idiots.
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