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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    However the governor won't put it in writing
    won't put it in writing?

    LOL!

    it's a BILL the state legislature is gonna vote on---with or WITHOUT the senate dems

    what an idiot

    senator erpenbach, i mean

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Thank you, Boo. You are the only poster who did homework. I appreciate the time you spent finding that.

    I wonder, then, if Walker is also looking for the union to agree that any increase over CPI will have to be voted on by taxpayers. If he got that and still kept going, then I'd agree his main purpose is to bust the union. Not that I'm entirely against that, but I do blame the negotiators on the taxpayer side more than anyone(thing) else.
    Blame? I guess I see it differently. Negotiations are jsut that, negotiations. No one has to sign anything. Each fights for what they think is reasonable, or best. I think the governor's motivations are in doubt. And is involving himself in a kind of class warfare, striking cuts at the working man, while granting breaks to business and the wealthy. Most agree that if he gets everything he wants, he makes no headway in reducing the debt. so, there are many questions remaining here.

    Contrary to Walker's assertion, there is no direct correlation between public-sector collective bargaining and yawning state budget deficits. According to data gathered by the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, while Wisconsin projects a state budget deficit of 12.8 percent for FY 2012, North Carolina, which does not allow government workers to bargain, faces a significantly higher deficit: 20 percent.

    The Monkey Cage: The Relationship between Union Membership and State Budget Deficits

    But in the 2011-’13 state budget, the Legislative Fiscal Bureau memo found that tax collections would drop more than $100 million because of the tax cuts. That adds to the projected deficit.

    Wisconsin's state budget -- frequently asked questions - JSOnline

    David Vines: Millionaire Teachers and Bus Drivers Responsible for Wisconsin's Budget Deficit

    Ezra Klein - Unions aren't to blame for Wisconsin's budget

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

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    Bravo, and welcome Dr.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They've agreed. However the governor won't put it in writing, which gives cause to doubt his motives.
    You must be kidding. You impune a governor, any governor, as to his/her integrity for NOT cowtowing and bowing down to a bunch of lawbreakers. "They've agreed.." you said...to what? Conditions they set as irresponsible lawbreakers. Up their collective wazoos!

    You want something to whine about? I'd like to see Republicans in every damned district these coward representatives represent draft recall petitions and send them in to the Gov! Then you'd have something to wring out your bloomers about. Gimme a break.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Thank you, Boo. You are the only poster who did homework. I appreciate the time you spent finding that.

    I wonder, then, if Walker is also looking for the union to agree that any increase over CPI will have to be voted on by taxpayers. If he got that and still kept going, then I'd agree his main purpose is to bust the union. Not that I'm entirely against that, but I do blame the negotiators on the taxpayer side more than anyone(thing) else.
    Just because someone posts a bunch of links doesn't mean anything. When one researches those links one finds what mr. Boo didn't want you to find as he figured a bunch of links would scare everyone off. Not so. I can spot that smoke blowing technique. Fact is that Brian Beutler at TPM said Republican Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker “ginned up” a “budget shortfall“. Can you figure out what happened next? All the left-leaning sheeple lined up and started bahhhhhing in chorus as Ms.Bouie at The American Prospect said Walker’s deficit reducing plan was “a ginned up crisis“. Political fiction writer Steven Benen says Walker is insincere, so you see Boo is just parroting him. The constitutionally confused Ezra Klein claims the
    “Badger State was actually in pretty good shape. It was supposed to end this budget cycle with about $120 million in the bank.”
    and so Klein brazenly went on to explain that the governor called a special session of the legislature and signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it helped turn a surplus into a deficit. Sounds good and appears to indict the Guv, but grab your drawers before they hit the floor. That's what Boo wanted you to believe, but even Klein was forced to change his mind in an update to that same post. Did I miss that update in your post Boo? The $130 million deficit now projected for 2011 isn’t the fault of the tax breaks passed during Walker’s special session.

    How about them apples huh! As a matter of fact, that deficit for 2011 came from a source not reported by anyone, MOST ESPECIALLY NOT mr. BOO. (Sorry Boo, rough way to get to know you. Hi! I'm doctorhugo.) The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled just this past Tuesday that the state must repay a medical malpractice fund more than $200 million it took to balance the budget three years ago, potentially throwing the current budget into disarray…, because...by now you guessed it. Yep! The state budget is projected to finish the current fiscal year on June 30 with a balance of $45 million, not enough to absorb a $200 million hit. That about takes care of that, so let's recess Ding-Dong School for today. Oops! One minor additonal comment. Of course it's not TOO toooooo important, BUT...that $200 million movement occurred when Doyle was governor and the demonRATs ran both Houses of the Wisconsin legislature.

    I'm gonna take a break 'cause it took me about 10 minutes of hard diggin' to find all this out and I'm due for a non-union break. Feel free Boo to go forth and confirm that I haven't posted any misleading information here.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by doctorhugo View Post
    How about them apples huh! As a matter of fact, that deficit for 2011 came from a source not reported by anyone, MOST ESPECIALLY NOT mr. BOO. (Sorry Boo, rough way to get to know you. Hi! I'm doctorhugo.) The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled just this past Tuesday that the state must repay a medical malpractice fund more than $200 million it took to balance the budget three years ago, potentially throwing the current budget into disarray…, because...by now you guessed it. Yep! The state budget is projected to finish the current fiscal year on June 30 with a balance of $45 million, not enough to absorb a $200 million hit. That about takes care of that, so let's recess Ding-Dong School for today. Oops! One minor additonal comment. Of course it's not TOO toooooo important, BUT...that $200 million movement occurred when Doyle was governor and the demonRATs ran both Houses of the Wisconsin legislature.
    You're actualyl pretty close, but not exact. I don't believe the state has a 45 million surplus, as you seem to indicate.

    The WI budget is currently scheduled to finish the fiscal period ending 06/11 137 million in the hole. This was mostly due to shortfalls in state medicare. I knew the $200 million raid by the former governor (Doyle) was in the courts, I didn't realize they had ruled on it yet - did that just come down today? Anyway, adding the 200 mill that has to be repaid leaves the state in a nearly $400 mill hole.

    As you correctly indicated, the tax cuts that Ezra Klein and Rachel Maddow were trying to claim caused the shortfall, haven't even taken effect yet. Those tax cuts will affect the next fiscal period.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

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    You didn't even read it. It was about one small group in one county. Do your homework. And what's "meme"?
    Broaden your horizons. It's not just about Wisconsin. It's about an attempt at union-busting across the nation. Public unions are and have been making concessions.


    A teachers union that has been reluctant to make concessions in the past gave big at the negotiating table this week – agreeing to pay cuts, higher medical co-pays, furlough days and the suspension of an annual bonus.

    Elk Grove teachers union agrees to concessions; members to vote - Sacramento News - Local and Breaking Sacramento News | Sacramento Bee

    Naugatuck (WTNH) - Facing a nearly $1.5 million deficit, teachers in Naugatuck agreed to concessions to avoid layoffs.

    Naugatuck teachers agree to concessions | wtnh.com connecticut

    In a contract breakthrough that eluded the previous Milwaukee Public Schools administration, the teachers union leadership on Friday agreed to concessions on health benefits that will save up to $50 million over the next two years.

    MPS, teachers union reach deal on contract - JSOnline


    SYLVANIA, OH (WTOL) -The union representing teachers in Sylvania schools has agreed to concessions resulting in $1.4 million in savings.

    Sylvania teachers agree to concessions to save jobs - WTOL.com - Toledo's News Leader |

    Hudson teachers had a contract until next September, but agreed to concessions Monday in hopes of persuading voters to approve an operating levy on the Nov. 2 ballot.

    It’s a one-year contract beginning next September that includes no raise in base pay and a modification in the current contract that increases the teachers’ contribution toward health care to 10 percent beginning in January.

    Hudson teachers agree to concessions
    It's not just teacher unions. Other public unions have been making sacrifices as well.


    AURORA — Union Local 1514 American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees has become the third employees union to reach a concession deal with the city of Aurora for 2011, the city announced Thursday.

    Third Aurora city workers union agrees to concessions - Beacon News


    Santa Barbara County’s largest employee union, SEIU Local 620, has agreed to concessions for this upcoming year that will save the county nearly $8.5 million.

    The Santa Barbara Independent County

    NORTH RIDGEVILLE Mayor David Gillock said members of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Local 3442 were hoping for salary increases. However, after union negotiations earlier this month, they took some concessions.

    After reaching the collective bargaining agreement, the city’s AFSCME and non-bargaining union employees effectively will give up 4 percent of their income for at least the next two years, with 10 furlough days to be taken over the course of a year.

    North Ridgeville union agrees to concessions | cleveland.com
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Wisconsin State Constitution requires:

    "Oath of office. Section 28. Members of the legislature, and all officers, executive and judicial, except such inferior officers as may be by law exempted, shall before they enter upon the duties of their respective offices, take and subscribe an oath or affirmation to support the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of Wisconsin, and faithfully to discharge the duties of their respective offices to the best of their ability."

    Wisconsin Legislature Data

    Also Wisconsin law requires: "946.12 Misconduct in public office. Any public officer or public employee who does any of the following is guilty of a Class I felony:

    946.12(1)
    (1) Intentionally fails or refuses to perform a known mandatory, nondiscretionary, ministerial duty of the officer's or employee's office or employment within the time or in the manner required by law"

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by doctorhugo View Post
    Just because someone posts a bunch of links doesn't mean anything. When one researches those links one finds what mr. Boo didn't want you to find as he figured a bunch of links would scare everyone off. Not so. I can spot that smoke blowing technique. Fact is that Brian Beutler at TPM said Republican Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker “ginned up” a “budget shortfall“. Can you figure out what happened next? All the left-leaning sheeple lined up and started bahhhhhing in chorus as Ms.Bouie at The American Prospect said Walker’s deficit reducing plan was “a ginned up crisis“. Political fiction writer Steven Benen says Walker is insincere, so you see Boo is just parroting him. The constitutionally confused Ezra Klein claims the and so Klein brazenly went on to explain that the governor called a special session of the legislature and signed two business tax breaks and a conservative health-care policy experiment that lowers overall tax revenues (among other things). The new legislation was not offset, and it helped turn a surplus into a deficit. Sounds good and appears to indict the Guv, but grab your drawers before they hit the floor. That's what Boo wanted you to believe, but even Klein was forced to change his mind in an update to that same post. Did I miss that update in your post Boo? The $130 million deficit now projected for 2011 isn’t the fault of the tax breaks passed during Walker’s special session.

    How about them apples huh! As a matter of fact, that deficit for 2011 came from a source not reported by anyone, MOST ESPECIALLY NOT mr. BOO. (Sorry Boo, rough way to get to know you. Hi! I'm doctorhugo.) The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled just this past Tuesday that the state must repay a medical malpractice fund more than $200 million it took to balance the budget three years ago, potentially throwing the current budget into disarray…, because...by now you guessed it. Yep! The state budget is projected to finish the current fiscal year on June 30 with a balance of $45 million, not enough to absorb a $200 million hit. That about takes care of that, so let's recess Ding-Dong School for today. Oops! One minor additonal comment. Of course it's not TOO toooooo important, BUT...that $200 million movement occurred when Doyle was governor and the demonRATs ran both Houses of the Wisconsin legislature.

    I'm gonna take a break 'cause it took me about 10 minutes of hard diggin' to find all this out and I'm due for a non-union break. Feel free Boo to go forth and confirm that I haven't posted any misleading information here.
    Great post Doc, but you did forget one thing, Wisconsin also got nearly 2 billion from the stimulus bill to boot, that money isn't coming for this present budget

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