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Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

DiAnna said:
I don't get it. If they don't like the bill, can't they just vote "no?" Don't tell me that this is another puerile "quorum" sit out. Can't get their way so they're gonna shut down the government. Totally lame, no matter which party is doing it.

And somebody should tell those stupid protesters that, duh, the state cannot afford to pay all of you, so either you take a cut in your fat, union-inflated salaries or a whole bunch of you spoiled fools (who should be damned happy just to have a job in this economy) are going to join the ranks of the unemployed.

I just hate this "I've got mine, I don't care what happens to them" attitude. It sucks.
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from some of the interviews i've heard, those protesting are ok with with contributing more to their pensions and healthcare....what the governor is doing is union busting, pure and simple...
 
pbrauer said:
This issue has nothing to do with the budget or pay, it about stripping the unions of their collective bargaining rights.
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thats all it is, pure and simple.....
 
randel said:
from some of the interviews i've heard, those protesting are ok with with contributing more to their pensions and healthcare....what the governor is doing is union busting, pure and simple...
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i'm sorry, but union busting and lower taxes for the wealthy is little less than the party-for-the-wealthy normally do
 
diablo45 said:
i'm sorry, but union busting and lower taxes for the wealthy is little less than the party-for-the-wealthy normally do
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i applaud those democratic senators.....the governor, as i'm sure he well knows, could sit down and negotiate with the unions....he doesnt want to....he knows he could get most, if not all the concessions he is seeking right now, but for him, that isnt enough...he sees this as a chance to bust unions in wisconsin, and eventually turn wisconsin into a 'right to work' state.
 
randel said:
i applaud those democratic senators.....the governor, as i'm sure he well knows, could sit down and negotiate with the unions....he doesnt want to....he knows he could get most, if not all the concessions he is seeking right now, but for him, that isnt enough...he sees this as a chance to bust unions in wisconsin, and eventually turn wisconsin into a 'right to work' state.
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go, wisconsin
 
I was born and lived in Wisconsin until recently and I am happy with the actions the democrats are taking. I can also point out that I have many friends who voted for Walker who are very against his proposal. As it's been said, it's union busting, plain and simple. This is not what bothers me most. The biggest issue is the blatant favoritism towards his supporters. Public safety unions strongly supported his election. Public safety is retaining collective bargaining, while all others are being targeted. This is where the the majority of the outrage should lie in my opinion.
 
Midwest Lib said:
I was born and lived in Wisconsin until recently and I am happy with the actions the democrats are taking. I can also point out that I have many friends who voted for Walker who are very against his proposal. As it's been said, it's union busting, plain and simple. This is not what bothers me most. The biggest issue is the blatant favoritism towards his supporters. Public safety unions strongly supported his election. Public safety is retaining collective bargaining, while all others are being targeted. This is where the the majority of the outrage should lie in my opinion.
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on wisconsin
 
diablo45 said:
YEAH, living wages....lets get them back to $12 an hour so the wealthy can prosper!
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Wisconsin public school employee pay for the 2009-2010 school year - JSOnline

Daniel Nerad District Administrator $198,500 $58,215 100 Madison Metropolitan Sch Dist Madison Metropolitan Sch Dist
Gregory Maass District Administrator $184,000 $55,700 100 Green Bay Area Sch Dist Green Bay Area Sch Dist
James Shaw District Administrator $180,000 $34,193 100 Racine Sch Dist Racine Sch Dist
William Andrekopoulos District Administrator $175,062 $68,303 100 Milwaukee Sch Dist Milwaukee Sch Dist
James Rickabaugh District Administrator $170,850 $42,969 100 Whitefish Bay Sch Dist Whitefish Bay Sch Dist
Paul Kreutzer District Administrator $166,089 $34,660 100 New Berlin Sch Dist New Berlin Sch Dist
Thomas Westerhaus District Administrator $165,626 $42,020 100 River Falls Sch Dist River Falls Sch Dist
Karen Petric District Administrator $164,779 $48,048 100 Whitnall Sch Dist Whitnall Sch Dist
William Hughes District Administrator $163,256 $53,608 100 Greendale Sch Dist Greendale Sch Dist




For Pete sakes THE GOVERNOR makes $137,000......the state Legislators make $49,000.
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I'm sorry, but somewhere along the line somebody has to say it. Union salaries and benefits have bankrupted the state. There is no more money. Let me repeat, so that the partisian parrots amongst us will hear: There is no more money!! When school administrators can make more than the governor of the state, there IS a problem. When unions are willing to cut loose nearly half of their membership to unemployment in order to retain untenable salaries and benefits for the most senior union members, there IS a problem.

People don't want to hear this, but this is not a fabricated economic crisis, it's a REAL economic crisis. The state cannot print money. There is nothing left to pay for the extravagant union salaries and benefits that have previously been expected. It's not there, people. Protest all you want, you won't put more revenue into an empty state coffer.

So go ahead, play partisian politics. Run away like ******s, then come back raising a fist as if something of substance has been achieved (that will get y'all votes, don't you know, even if it does absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the state population as a whole.). Something today's spoiled population has yet to understand... if there isn't any money, then nobody gets paid, duh. Protest all you want, but unless you pass the hat and get enough to run the state for another year, then talk to the hand, dudes, you clearly don't understand the situation.
 
DiAnna said:
I'm sorry, but somewhere along the line somebody has to say it. Union salaries and benefits have bankrupted the state. There is no more money. Let me repeat, so that the partisian parrots amongst us will hear: There is no more money!! When school administrators can make more than the governor of the state, there IS a problem. When unions are willing to cut loose nearly half of their membership to unemployment in order to retain untenable salaries and benefits for the most senior union members, there IS a problem.

People don't want to hear this, but this is not a fabricated economic crisis, it's a REAL economic crisis. The state cannot print money. There is nothing left to pay for the extravagant union salaries and benefits that have previously been expected. It's not there, people. Protest all you want, you won't put more revenue into an empty state coffer.

So go ahead, play partisian politics. Run away like ******s, then come back raising a fist as if something of substance has been achieved (that will get y'all votes, don't you know, even if it does absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the state population as a whole.). Something today's spoiled population has yet to understand... if there isn't any money, then nobody gets paid, duh. Protest all you want, but unless you pass the hat and get enough to run the state for another year, then talk to the hand, dudes, you clearly don't understand the situation.
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it isnt really about the money/benefits, from what interviews i've heard with the protesters, they would be ok paying more for their insurance, they would be ok with paying more toward their pensions, they are pissed with this blatant attempt to strip them of rights....that is what this is about, not the money/benefits.
 
I agree things need to be done financially, but doesn't it seem like it has a bit more to do with a personal agenda when certain supportive unions are exempt? If he truly believed this is what needed to be done and that everyone needs to do their part, then the police, state troopers, and fire departments should have to do their part as well.
 
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randel said:
it isnt really about the money/benefits, from what interviews i've heard with the protesters, they would be ok paying more for their insurance, they would be ok with paying more toward their pensions, they are pissed with this blatant attempt to strip them of rights....that is what this is about, not the money/benefits.
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What "rights"? The right to have a pension that will bankrupt the state? The right to keep their jobs while hundreds/thousands of others will lose their jobs to keep the most senior union employees sitting fat and happy? Exactly what "rights" are these governmental employees giving up in order to keep their state solvent, and to keep their peers employed?

Or is that not a priority?
 
Midwest Lib said:
I was born and lived in Wisconsin until recently and I am happy with the actions the democrats are taking. I can also point out that I have many friends who voted for Walker who are very against his proposal. As it's been said, it's union busting, plain and simple. This is not what bothers me most. The biggest issue is the blatant favoritism towards his supporters. Public safety unions strongly supported his election. Public safety is retaining collective bargaining, while all others are being targeted. This is where the the majority of the outrage should lie in my opinion.
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Hmm …. sounds to me much like is going on at the federal level ..
 
Midwest Lib said:
I was born and lived in Wisconsin until recently and I am happy with the actions the democrats are taking. I can also point out that I have many friends who voted for Walker who are very against his proposal. As it's been said, it's union busting, plain and simple. This is not what bothers me most. The biggest issue is the blatant favoritism towards his supporters. Public safety unions strongly supported his election. Public safety is retaining collective bargaining, while all others are being targeted. This is where the the majority of the outrage should lie in my opinion.
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Should we remember this post if the GOP does this somewhere in the future?

This reminds me of when cowardly democrats did the same thing in Texas with redistricting...

Disgusting. "Elections have consequences".
 
ludahai said:
Should we remember this post if the GOP does this somewhere in the future?

This reminds me of when cowardly democrats did the same thing in Texas with redistricting...

Disgusting. "Elections have consequences".
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-chuckles- why don't you know, them democrats ..... they are .... just the party of "NO"
 
diablo45 said:
no doubt you resent teachers make more than you.....people contributing to mankind deserve MUCH more.......on the other hand, how much do the gop babies such as those sitting on their ASSES speculating on gasoline futures deserve? apparently shills for the privlidged argue these miscreants create "wealth"
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First off here, you are showing your own ignorance. Those that speculate on any of the futures markets play a zero sum game, meaning that for every dollar someone makes, someone loses a dollar. The general public that doesn't play in the futures market don't have a dime taken from them.

Seeing you seem to think it's such an easy way of making money, I would only ask why you aren't right in there speculating? I mean we can all see with your articulate posting, that you should easily be able to out do those ignorant hillbillies, as you refer to them.

I'll even help you out and give you the name of two or three brokers, that you can open an account with for as little as $5.000 within two weeks you can be right in there wheeling and dealing and showing them dumb hillbillies how someone like you can put them to shame.

So well you and others believe they don't “earn” what they make, I personally believe your full of sh*t, and have no idea of what you are talking about … until you put your own money up and get in there and play with us hillbillies.


DISCLAIMER: those that enter into the commodities markets, can and do lose money. They should do so only with disposable money as 80% of new traders are broke within the first year
 
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Having been in politics, and on the short end of a number of 6 to 1 votes on controversial issues I see these politicians as cowards.

If you have a position stand up for it and be prepared to defend it.To do otherwise is i believe is to violate the public's trust.
 
In a different thread on a different topic, one of our members Albert DiSalvo once opined that what we are seeing in society today is a war between the two political forces - the right and the left. While I rarely agree with Albert, he was spot on about this. This indeed is a war. What is happening in Wisconsin is simply a skirmish in that war. The old saying about all is fair in love and war applies here.
 
randel said:
it isnt really about the money/benefits, from what interviews i've heard with the protesters, they would be ok paying more for their insurance, they would be ok with paying more toward their pensions, they are pissed with this blatant attempt to strip them of rights....that is what this is about, not the money/benefits.
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Randel - you should not post such things. You are going to confuse people with reality. But thanks for doing so. These things need to be said even in an oppressive environment where public employee unions have become the new right wing whipping boy and the True Believers convenient scapegoat for all that is wrong with state and local government.

For years, many on the right have accused progressives of envy of the rich. This thread is filled with people who express envy at others because of their own situation in life. The shoe now seems to be upon the other foot.
 
apdst said:
The people spoke. The governer and the legislature are carrying out the will of the people. That's how it works under our form of government.
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And when I make the exact same argument on other topics, all I get from your side is lectures about the tyranny of the majority, unruly mob rule, and no respect for the rights of those in the minority.
 
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