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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If they have agreed, where is their press release? They haven't agreed to jack ****. It's all rhetoric at this point. And what is wrong with his other demand? --That any raise larger than the CPI must be voted on by taxpayers? Oooooooooo, trying to break the unions!!! In fairness, he also wants to take away their union right to negotiate benefits. Can't blame him for that. Taxpayers are going freakin' broke.

    What I don't understand is that the governor gave notice that as of March 16th their contract wouldn't be valid (all legal, and as per contract terms, btw). So I don't see what difference it makes....next contract? Just don't give them these things. I must be missing something...anyone know? Please, no rhetoric as an answer-- I'm trying to actually LEARN something.
    then do some reading maggie......they HAVE agreed to the financial concessions. he want to take aways their rights, NOT save the state. this has very little to do with the budget.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    The most logical conclusion? So, the state of Wisconsin will not have the need to go through this same dog and phony show in a continual progressive loop every time the budget needs adjusting, as the PEOPLE do run the state, not a handful of UNION thugs as much as as the communist ANDY STERN and his "workers of the world" unite mentality propagandize. The people are not under the thumb nail of these THUGS. This entire thing is being manipulated for political purposes. Civility? Right..err...left............

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSllsTLkBsw
    Then Walker should be clear on what he is doing. He should stop pretending that this is about "balancing the budget" and indicate that he wishes to strip state employess of their basic organizing rights.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No. You are confusing SUMMER SCHOOL with the REGULAR SCHOOL year.

    I gave you the language on the calendar and the contract gives you the annual salary. It is just as how I described it.


    Incorrect. Read it again.



    1. A teacher who is employed after school is recessed for the summer and before school
    commences in the fall, both relative to the school calendar as set forth in this Agreement at
    his/her regular assignment is compensated by prorating his/her contractual salary from the prior
    school year for each hour of such employment.


    1.Any work performed in the summer which is an extension of work performed during the school
    year, and which by its very nature, cannot be completed by the end of the school year
    will be
    compensated as outlined in paragraph 1 above.

    Not summer school, which is I believe an "extra-duty" as per your document.


    per your document":

    3. Teachers who will be employed after school is recessed for the summer and before school
    commences in the fall to work with students with disabilities in vocational settings on site in the
    regular summer school session shall be paid extended contract.

    This is not the same scenario I previously quoted.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    then do some reading maggie......they HAVE agreed to the financial concessions. he want to take aways their rights, NOT save the state. this has very little to do with the budget.
    Where's a link to a union press release or any union document that indicates that? Without that, it's all puffery.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Then Walker should be clear on what he is doing. He should stop pretending that this is about "balancing the budget" and indicate that he wishes to strip state employess of their basic organizing rights.
    If its NOT PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE and he has not stated his position...by what stroke of logic and lack of knowledge did you address the topic? Geeze......perhaps a little more CRITICAL THINKING? Like, where do you get the idea that its a basic right for a public service employee to have access to collective bargaining, when they work for THE GOVERNMENT not a private sector employee...just how do you negotiate with an act of Legislation? No right to organize is being taken away, if it is demonstrate the language in this law that describes as much. What the law clearly states is the fact that now Wisconsin Public Employees will have the fundamental right of CHOICE and not be forced in a most fascist manner to PAY TO PLAY.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Not summer school, which is I believe an "extra-duty" as per your document.
    the important port to note, Rev, is that it says "which by its very nature, cannot be completed by the end of the school year". If the reason it doesn't get completed is due to something outside the nature of the work itself, there would be no extra compensation. If the work is something that could not be completed during the regular school year due to the nature of the work, it would require compensation.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    teh important poar tto note, Rev, is that it says "which by its very nature, cannot be completed by the end of the school year". If the reason it doesn't get completed is due to something outside the nature of the work itself, there would be no xtra compensation. If the work is something that could not be completed during teh regular school year due to the nature of t ehwork, it would require compensation.


    40% of the teachers lied and stated they would be sick. The ones that didn't won't be compensated? I like your reasoning, but do not see it in this document at all. It's rather vague on the topic open to interpretation.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    40% of the teachers lied and stated they would be sick. The ones that didn't won't be compensated? I like your reasoning, but do not see it in this document at all. It's rather vague on the topic open to interpretation.
    Even if they were sick or claimed to be sick, it wouldn't be "the very nature of the work" that led to it requiring extra time to complete. That "which by its very nature" means that the work itself has to be the reason for the extension.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Walker rejects unions



    All they want is their basic organizing rights. Why is Walker so set on taking them away if this is only about balancing the state budget?

    so they agreed to concede the financial provisions for this contract time period alone eh? And want to retain their ability to get it back later? Not much of a concession if you ask me.

    Tell me why a government employee needs a union in the first place? Can you?


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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Read the language that you claim is the key to being paid extra

    1. A teacher who is employed after school is recessed for the summer and before school
    commences in the fall,


    If the 194 days are not yet gotten in, THERE WILL BE NO RECESS FOR THE SUMMER. The School year is merely rearranged, the days gotten in to the 194 required number and only then is school recessed and the language you are citing for exra pay then kicks in.

    I have taught in July to make up the days and that was still part of the regular school year. It was NOT summer school and we had to get in the state mandated required days. That is how it works and is nothing new or special.
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