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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Oh an edit... Well thanks, it would be helpful if you could show me where in this document your case is make that would be great...
    there is an index
    you want the school calendar and salary schedule

    sorry for hitting the wrong contract link - that was my error -- but now you have the correct one.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    As I understand it, they have agreed to all the financial concessions in Walker's bill and this is entirely about the public worker's rights to negotiate with their employer. Since this has nothing to do with balancing the budget, why is Walker so set on breaking the union?
    If they have agreed, where is their press release? They haven't agreed to jack ****. It's all rhetoric at this point. And what is wrong with his other demand? --That any raise larger than the CPI must be voted on by taxpayers? Oooooooooo, trying to break the unions!!! In fairness, he also wants to take away their union right to negotiate benefits. Can't blame him for that. Taxpayers are going freakin' broke.

    What I don't understand is that the governor gave notice that as of March 16th their contract wouldn't be valid (all legal, and as per contract terms, btw). So I don't see what difference it makes....next contract? Just don't give them these things. I must be missing something...anyone know? Please, no rhetoric as an answer-- I'm trying to actually LEARN something.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    there is an index
    you want the school calendar and salary schedule


    No I would like for you to prove your contention. It's not my job to prove your case.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    No I would like for you to prove your contention. It's not my job to prove your case.
    Perhaps you missed where I quoted the contract on work days? Go back and read it.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If they have agreed, where is their press release? They haven't agreed to jack ****.
    Walker rejects unions

    MADISON — Gov. Scott Walker ignored an offer of financial concessions by state and local public employees Saturday, calling once again for Democratic senators to stop “shirking their responsibilities” and return from Illinois to vote on his budget bill.

    A sizable contingent of Walker supporters joined the chaotic throng outside the Capitol, swelling the crowd above Friday’s size, which was estimated at almost 70,000.

    Wisconsin public employees have agreed to the financial concessions pushed by the governor in exchange for retaining their basic organizing rights, Democratic Sen. Jon Erpenbach said in a statement released Saturday.
    All they want is their basic organizing rights. Why is Walker so set on taking them away if this is only about balancing the state budget?
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    This should make it clear and obvious even to the most rabid anti-union zealot just what this is about in the Governors twisted mind.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps you missed where I quoted the contract on work days? Go back and read it.



    1. A teacher who is employed after school is recessed for the summer and before school
    commences in the fall, both relative to the school calendar as set forth in this Agreement at
    his/her regular assignment is compensated by prorating his/her contractual salary from the prior
    school year for each hour of such employment.

    2. Any work performed in the summer which is an extension of work performed during the school
    year, and which by its very nature, cannot be completed by the end of the school year will be
    compensated as outlined in paragraph 1 above.

    I found this.


    Seems that if the school year can not be completed due to other teachers pretending to be "sick", then they will be compensated for extra time, over the normal schedule at a pro-rated amount


    You really don't have to be so reluctant here. If you truly have the information, prove me wrong, quote the document.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

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    As I understand it, they have agreed to all the financial concessions in Walker's bill and this is entirely about the public worker's rights to negotiate with their employer. Since this has nothing to do with balancing the budget, why is Walker so set on breaking the union?
    The most logical conclusion? So, the state of Wisconsin will not have the need to go through this same dog and phony show in a continual progressive loop every time the budget needs adjusting, as the PEOPLE do run the state, not a handful of UNION thugs as much as as the communist ANDY STERN and his "workers of the world" unite mentality propagandize. The people are not under the thumb nail of these THUGS. This entire thing is being manipulated for political purposes. Civility? Right..err...left............it appears the Prez simply does not like the Republicans riding along side him in the front seat, this is the second STATE Government where he has no business sticking his Federal Nose that he has openly sided with the opposition against the PEOPLE, First Az., Now Wisconsin. What are We the People to conclude.....Vote the way the Prez wants or I will send my brown shirts to visit?

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good. Public employees shouldn't be allowed to unionize in the first place. Oh, BTW liberal's hero FDR made it illegal.


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    That's nonsense j. Just like in the private sector, both sides can negotiate. No one has a gun held to their heads. Both can fight to win their position. The public sector is no different. But I have seen this talking point repeated a lot this weekend. Do they send out a memo?

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I found this.


    Seems that if the school year can not be completed due to other teachers pretending to be "sick", then they will be compensated for extra time, over the normal schedule.


    You really don't have to be so reluctant here. You have the information, prove me wrong, quote the document.
    No. You are confusing SUMMER SCHOOL with the REGULAR SCHOOL year.

    I gave you the language on the calendar and the contract gives you the annual salary. It is just as how I described it. The work is ALWAYS completed as I said it is and the contract calls for 194 days in return for the annual salary. The only possible way this could be in jeopardy would be if this stoppage lasted for more days than are available on the calendar where school is not now scheduled.

    In the early 1970's we were on strike for six weeks and made up days into July. I remember it well since it was my birthday and i was working.

    So far, they missed just a few days, less than one week. Come back and voice your concerns in three months and then you might have a point.
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