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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Explain to me please why it is that these government employees deserve to have free health care, and free pensions? Why should I pay for their health, and retirement? It's supposed to be civil service, not a golden ticket.
    The protests are about how the bill destroys collective bargaining, not about cuts. The unions have made repeated attempts to negotiate cuts, to which they were stonewalled by Walker. This is about destroying workers' rights.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Explain to me please why it is that these government employees deserve to have free health care, and free pensions? Why should I pay for their health, and retirement? It's supposed to be civil service, not a golden ticket.


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    They get free health care in WI? Are you calling living on a median salary range of $32-60,000 a "golden ticket"?

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The protests are about how the bill destroys collective bargaining, not about cuts. The unions have made repeated attempts to negotiate cuts, to which they were stonewalled by Walker. This is about destroying workers' rights.
    I believe that collective bargaining is what helped fuel the over spending on all the contracts in question.

    Union out lived their usefulness a long time ago and no amount of offers now are going to go far enough to shut them down as is needed.

    STate and Federal Laws now cover and protect workers rights and wage along with hour laws.

    The BS about this being about the xchildren ans saving weekends off is pure BS and nothing more.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    I believe that collective bargaining is what helped fuel the over spending on all the contracts in question.
    What over spending? You mean about how public sector workers in Wisconsin are underpaid by 4.3% compared to their private sector counterparts, benefits included? And about how the state budget office had a projected surplus until Walker passed his tax cuts in January?
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And why can the Republicans in the Senate just vote "no" for all the federal judges they've been holding up. Why couldn't they just vote "no" on the more than 140 bills they filibustered?

    The only people who are playing the "I've got mine games are the CEO's and Financial Industry tycoons who profited off this whole mess and were never forced to sacrifice anything as a result.

    Walker fudged up the numbers to create a crisis, anyway. This is nothing but a lie in an effort to take workers' rights away.

    I just think it's idiotic that people who probably make the same or less than government workers cheer on the further destruction of workers' rights. Screw yourselves, why don't you?
    Sorry, but unions have negotiated... or rather bullied... states into bankruptcy. In California, our prison guards are the highest paid in the whole country. The teacher's union is corrupt, with cushy new administration buildings while schools set buckets in the classroom when it rains. Public employees here are among the highest paid in the nation. California is nearly bankrupt. The governor tried to negotiate lower wages, benefit freezes, furloughs... every damned union said, "no way." He implemented mandated furloughs. The unions took him to court and the court said he couldn't do it because it violated union contracts. And the legislature? They gave themselves and their personal employees a raise.

    I've negotiated with union reps when I was finance director of a SoCalif city. It didn't matter what the city budget was, they demanded more and when told that if the city met those demands that dozens upon dozens of city employees would lose their jobs, the union reps said, "So what? You have to lay off the newest employees first, and that's not us."

    That's exactly what the unions are saying now. They want to continue to have free pensions, free health care AND the ability to bully the state via unbreakable union contracts. There's no way governments can be flexible enough to assure public services with constantly-changing revenues so long as they are bound by the untenable chains of multi-year union contracts and constant strike threats.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What over spending? You mean about how public sector workers in Wisconsin are underpaid by 4.3% compared to their private sector counterparts, benefits included? And about how the state budget office had a projected surplus until Walker passed his tax cuts in January?
    This has nothing to do with pay. It has to do with these children kicking in, and participating in their own Health Care, and Pensions. Why is that such a bad thing? Hell I have to do that. Why shouldn't they?


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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The protests are about how the bill destroys collective bargaining, not about cuts. The unions have made repeated attempts to negotiate cuts, to which they were stonewalled by Walker. This is about destroying workers' rights.
    Please show me where collective bargaining is a "right" as laid out by our constitution. It's not a right.


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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The protests are about how the bill destroys collective bargaining, not about cuts. The unions have made repeated attempts to negotiate cuts, to which they were stonewalled by Walker. This is about destroying workers' rights.
    No, it's about the Governor trying to stop the Unions from down the road being able to put the State into a hole again.

    Workers Rights, from you, that's a joke.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Please show me where collective bargaining is a "right" as laid out by our constitution. It's not a right.


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    Just look at his avatar pic, that answers all your questions about where he stands.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, it's about the Governor trying to stop the Unions from down the road being able to put the State into a hole again.

    Workers Rights, from you, that's a joke.
    Actually, its about a right wing zealot attempting to hijack the office of Governor to destroy the working person in Wisconsin. There was no financial crisis in that state.

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/...os&Darling.pdf

    2010-11
    Revenues

    Opening Balance, July 1 $25,718,100
    Taxes 12,691,400,000
    Departmental Revenues
    Tribal Gaming 22,330,300
    Other 833,733,300
    Total Available $13,573,181,700

    Appropriations

    Gross Appropriations $14,109,283,800
    Compensation Reserves 95,962,700
    Biennial Appropriation Adjustment -242,677,200
    Sum Sufficient Reestimates -121,637,800
    Less Lapses -389,112,600
    Net Appropriations $13,451,818,900

    Balances

    Gross Balance $121,362,800
    Less Required Statutory Balance -65,000,000
    Net Balance, June 30 $56,362,800

    And that surplus is WITH UNIONIZED PUBLIC EMPLOYEES.
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