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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by wtfkenneth View Post
    Could you expand on that?
    I can't believe I actually have to, but ok: a good comparison would be your employer paying you $1,000 and taking back 20% so he can pay you next week. The moral of the story? At some point, you employer is going to run out of money to pay you with.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    I try to refrain from using common sense to decide on a complicated topic.

    My point is when all of the money is sitting at the top not being spent, it isn't an active part of the economy.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by wtfkenneth View Post
    OK yeah. This makes sense, but I don't think it necessarily trumps my opinion either. You say that the programs are unsustainable, but would they still be unsustainable if we didn't keep cutting taxes or throwing money at Iraq and Afghanistan?

    Also, I can't really see people who need these programs sitting on their money. What is your reasoning behind that?
    Social spending >> Military spending. By quite a bit.

    As for your second point, your missing the point here, those people who "need the programs" as you put it, where are they spending their money? Exactly my point. The Return on Investment in monies taken through taxes is very very low for investors.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by wtfkenneth View Post
    I try to refrain from using common sense to decide on a complicated topic.

    My point is when all of the money is sitting at the top not being spent, it isn't an active part of the economy.
    Then create an environment where it is being spent instead making the economic climate worse.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by wtfkenneth View Post
    I try to refrain from using common sense to decide on a complicated topic.

    My point is when all of the money is sitting at the top not being spent, it isn't an active part of the economy.
    If the government would stop trying to, "fix", the economy, that money would start moving around more. But, as long as the government keeps injeting uncertaintly into the private sector, people are going to hold on to their money, not knowing what new tax Obama is going to slap people with, or whose job he is going to kill next.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Social spending >> Military spending. By quite a bit.

    As for your second point, your missing the point here, those people who "need the programs" as you put it, where are they spending their money? Exactly my point. The Return on Investment in monies taken through taxes is very very low for investors.
    I tried googling Social vs Military, but the results weren't really applicable. Would you mind backing that up? Also, what about taxes? I mentioned them in my original argument.

    They're spending their money on daily life. On the products that the companies (that your investors invest in) make. Is there data stating otherwise?

    I'm not arguing as much as I am questioning here, guys.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by wtfkenneth View Post
    I tried googling Social vs Military, but the results weren't really applicable. Would you mind backing that up? Also, what about taxes? I mentioned them in my original argument.

    They're spending their money on daily life. On the products that the companies (that your investors invest in) make. Is there data stating otherwise?

    I'm not arguing as much as I am questioning here, guys.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by wtfkenneth View Post
    I tried googling Social vs Military, but the results weren't really applicable. Would you mind backing that up? Also, what about taxes? I mentioned them in my original argument.

    They're spending their money on daily life. On the products that the companies (that your investors invest in) make. Is there data stating otherwise?

    I'm not arguing as much as I am questioning here, guys.
    If you invest in Company X, you get a return from your investment on the business they do.
    If the Gov't takes money from you in Taxes, you can only hope that comes back to your though your investments.

    Which one has the higher yield and chances to grow your money?



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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    If you invest in Company X, you get a return from your investment on the business they do.
    If the Gov't takes money from you in Taxes, you can only hope that comes back to your though your investments.

    Which one has the higher yield and chances to grow your money?



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    Look Ma! Another ****ty pie chart where the colors all look the same. *facepalm*
    Seriously - what is *what* on that chart?

    Aside that - I'm extremely pissed over the Union crap. Not the bill-debate. I think that is just a part of the process really - but the teacher's on strike - school's closed.

    That means parents have to stop working = no hours clocked = no pay for the shafted employees - and college parents have to be home with their kids. Are colleges going to flex? These union-bothered teachers are self centered, not concerned with the actual 'values' that they claim to uphold by being teachers - and are throwing every single family that is NOT involved in this problem under the bus.

    It's foul - absolutely horrid.

    When I worked for hourly pay I can't imagine how much my children would have suffered from this type of situation - if I didn't work they didn't have food.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Look Ma! Another ****ty pie chart where the colors all look the same. *facepalm*

    Seriously - what is *what* on that chart?
    To the right there is this thing called a "legend"
    The legend tells you what each bar or column or line or pie slice etc. represents on your chart. It is usually colour-coded to help you and has the names beside them that are got from your spreadsheet or just as Series1, Series2 etc., if you did not specify names.

    Read more: Answers.com - What is legend in excel chart

    I was asked to provide some evidence social spending > military spending, this shows my point.
    Military Type Spending:
    DoD spending:
    16.6%
    Global War on Terror:
    5%
    TTL:
    21%

    Social Spending:
    SS:
    21%
    Medicare:
    13.3
    Unemployment Welfare:
    11.2%
    Medicaide 7.2%
    TTL:
    42.7%

    Nuff said.
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