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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

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    That is a possibility, but given the evidence that the PSU supported the governor in his election and remain the only untouched public sector union seems just too fishy. Walkers dishonesty in the situation is what truly bothers me.
    I can fully agree that his being backed by the one group not being touched has it's "ethical concern" I also have to say I'm always, ALWAYS against Governors using the Public Safety folks as a tool to get a budget maneuver. Generally it's a "If we don't raise taxes we're going to have to lay off police/fire fighters..." That's just lame. So maybe I'm just happy that isn't being used to justify changes for once.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

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    Well looks like the COKE brothers have dug into their deep pockets yet again and will provide buses for the teabaggers , for tomorrows rally. With any luck some of the lucky baggers might score an autograph from the famous pimp himself “Andrew Breitbart” of Breitbart.com.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Correct me if I'm wrong on this:

    This is a classic supply side theory vs demand side theory argument.

    Conservatives want to cut taxes and benefits, taking money from consumers and giving it to producers. They hope the producers will create more jobs and the money will trickle down to consumers. I don't have any data on this, but I imagine those who already have money to spend would sit any additional money to the side and let it grow. This takes the money out of the economy, and cripples the trickle effect.

    Liberals want to use tax money for benefits for the less fortunate. They hope that this will give those on a tight budget money to spend. I agree with this theory.

    Thoughts?
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by wtfkenneth View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong on this:

    This is a classic supply side theory vs demand side theory argument.

    Conservatives want to cut taxes and benefits, taking money from consumers and giving it to producers. They hope the producers will create more jobs and the money will trickle down to consumers. I don't have any data on this, but I imagine those who already have money to spend would sit any additional money to the side and let it grow. This takes the money out of the economy, and cripples the trickle effect.

    Liberals want to use tax money for benefits for the less fortunate. They hope that this will give those on a tight budget money to spend. I agree with this theory.

    Thoughts?

    Your theory of bottom up economic growth is inherently flawed as it requires taking far more from those that produce to give to those that consume then they get back in return. To put it another way, the tax burden on producers makes investing in new business and growth more risky. Investors don't like risk, they don't like spending money only to lose it to taxes and asking them to give more in hopes that those at the "bottom" getting their tax dollars will use it for economic activity that will in the end benefit them doesn't not engender confidence.

    You are asking for people with wealth, to take the tax hit, because giving more to people at the lower end via the vehicle of Government welfare and programs will benefit them in the end. What happens is THEY SIT on their wealth and don't use it for job growth and expansion. Exactly what you fear, wrongly happens in the supply side angle.

    If an investor get's back MORE for their effort, directly, they are morel likely to take the risk. If they know that the burden on those investments is lower that makes them even happier.

    It's simple logic, and while I understand it doesn't FEEL as good as "social programs to assist the less fortunate" it's the one that actually works. Demand Side works temporarily, but ultimately fails due to being unsustainable.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

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    Another worthwhile, insightful and meaningful post that adds to the conversation and brings a new and useful angle to the topic at hand.


    Your right, it was pretty lame... shoulda posted this instead.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by wtfkenneth View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong on this:

    This is a classic supply side theory vs demand side theory argument.

    Conservatives want to cut taxes and benefits, taking money from consumers and giving it to producers. They hope the producers will create more jobs and the money will trickle down to consumers. I don't have any data on this, but I imagine those who already have money to spend would sit any additional money to the side and let it grow. This takes the money out of the economy, and cripples the trickle effect.

    Liberals want to use tax money for benefits for the less fortunate. They hope that this will give those on a tight budget money to spend. I agree with this theory.

    Thoughts?
    But, it's a theory that has already been disproven. You can't boost the economy by recycling money.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Your theory of bottom up economic growth is inherently flawed as it requires taking far more from those that produce to give to those that consume then they get back in return. To put it another way, the tax burden on producers makes investing in new business and growth more risky. Investors don't like risk, they don't like spending money only to lose it to taxes and asking them to give more in hopes that those at the "bottom" getting their tax dollars will use it for economic activity that will in the end benefit them doesn't not engender confidence.

    You are asking for people with wealth, to take the tax hit, because giving more to people at the lower end via the vehicle of Government welfare and programs will benefit them in the end. What happens is THEY SIT on their wealth and don't use it for job growth and expansion. Exactly what you fear, wrongly happens in the supply side angle.

    If an investor get's back MORE for their effort, directly, they are morel likely to take the risk. If they know that the burden on those investments is lower that makes them even happier.

    It's simple logic, and while I understand it doesn't FEEL as good as "social programs to assist the less fortunate" it's the one that actually works. Demand Side works temporarily, but ultimately fails due to being unsustainable.
    OK yeah. This makes sense, but I don't think it necessarily trumps my opinion either. You say that the programs are unsustainable, but would they still be unsustainable if we didn't keep cutting taxes or throwing money at Iraq and Afghanistan?

    Also, I can't really see people who need these programs sitting on their money. What is your reasoning behind that?

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Looks like the throughheads didn't get the memo about civility. Perhaps they didn't tune into the pep rally?

    WisPolitics Budget Blog: Jeff Fitzgerald: Assembly adjourned because of threats

    Recall petitions are all ready in the works for the pussies that won't showup to do their jobs.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by wtfkenneth View Post
    OK yeah. This makes sense, but I don't think it necessarily trumps my opinion either. You say that the programs are unsustainable, but would they still be unsustainable if we didn't keep cutting taxes or throwing money at Iraq and Afghanistan?

    Also, I can't really see people who need these programs sitting on their money. What is your reasoning behind that?
    It's like this: you can't take money out of the economy, in the form of taxes, then put it back into the economy, in the form of entitlements and expect to improve the economy. Common sense dictates that it just won't work.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, it's a theory that has already been disproven. You can't boost the economy by recycling money.
    Could you expand on that?

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