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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    These teachers are showing the underbelly of Union thuggery right now to the nation. They should be fired, and their positions refilled under new terms. Public sectors have NO business being unionized in the first place.


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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    These teachers are showing the underbelly of Union thuggery right now to the nation. They should be fired, and their positions refilled under new terms. Public sectors have NO business being unionized in the first place.


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    God, don't i know it! All those damn scumbag teachers! They are thugs for fighting for the same right given to them over 50 years ago, while agreeing to pay more into their pensions, in the amount necessary to get the state on budget? Most thugs I know are certainly the compromising type!

    I understand that you don't like unions, which is why you live in a right-to-work state. The fact of the matter is if you want to dissolve the unions, don't do it by tagging it as the only fiscal responsible thing to do, when union members are willing to pay there share. It's a disingenuous bill, at best.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    The extremist right win in this nation has ALWAYS hated unions because it gives the common working man power. If you are a right winger, the one thing you NEVER want to see is common working people acquiring power. That is a great threat against you and against your agenda.

    So now the Republican conservatives have looked at demographic projections and they can read the census as well as anyone else. They see that the backbone and 90%+ of their party - the white person - is decreasing in numbers and in power. By 2050 they even could be a minority of less than 50%. So how do they retain control in a democratic republic? Simple - they take away the right to vote from their opponents. They take away the unions from workers. They demonize minorities who tend to vote for the hated enemy. And the key to the door to all this is the Citizens United decision and the 2010 election results in an off year election when democrats foolishly stayed home.

    That is what you are seeing in Wisconsin. This attack on unions and on workers is part of a larger strategy to repeal the political progressive measures of the 20th century. And all you right wingers here are salivating at the prospect.

    I hope you like the taste of your masters hand.... or worse ... because its going to be a long struggle back to a rational nation.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    Well he has without question told the residents of WI how dire the fiscal situation is. He however appears to not be taking responsibility for it, instead exempting supporting unions. If the situation is as dire as it is, all must take a cut.
    Please go back and read how the right wing governor CREATED this so called crisis. This is a manufactured crisis designed to crush unions and working people.


    Wisconsin's new Republican governor has framed his assault on public worker's collective bargaining rights as a needed measure of fiscal austerity during tough times.

    The reality is radically different. Unlike true austerity measures -- service rollbacks, furloughs, and other temporary measures that cause pain but save money -- rolling back worker's bargaining rights by itself saves almost nothing on its own. But Walker's doing it anyhow, to knock down a barrier and allow him to cut state employee benefits immediately.

    Mad In Madison: Wisconsin Workers Protest Against Governor's Budget Proposals
    Furthermore, this broadside comes less than a month after the state's fiscal bureau -- the Wisconsin equivalent of the Congressional Budget Office -- concluded that Wisconsin isn't even in need of austerity measures, and could conclude the fiscal year with a surplus. In fact, they say that the current budget shortfall is a direct result of tax cut policies Walker enacted in his first days in office.

    "Walker was not forced into a budget repair bill by circumstances beyond he control," says Jack Norman, research director at the Institute for Wisconsin Future -- a public interest think tank. "He wanted a budget repair bill and forced it by pushing through tax cuts... so he could rush through these other changes."

    "The state of Wisconsin has not reached the point at which austerity measures are needed," Norman adds.

    In a Wednesday op-ed, the Capitol Times of Madison picked up on this theme.

    In its Jan. 31 memo to legislators on the condition of the state's budget, the Fiscal Bureau determined that the state will end the year with a balance of $121.4 million.
    To the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January.

    You can read the fiscal bureaus report here (PDF). It holds that "more than half" of the new shortfall comes from three of Walker's initiatives:

    $25 million for an economic development fund for job creation, which still holds $73 million because of anemic job growth.
    $48 million for private health savings accounts -- a perennial Republican favorite.
    $67 million for a tax incentive plan that benefits employers, but at levels too low to spur hiring.
    In essence, public workers are being asked to pick up the tab for this agenda. "The provisions in his bill do two things simultaneously," Norman says. "They remove bargaining rights, and having accomplished that, make changes in the benefit packages." That's how Walker's plan saves money. And when it's all said and done, these workers will have lost their bargaining rights going forward in perpetuity.
    Instead of facts, you rabid right wing anti-unionists get your belief system from garbage comic book caricatures of unions and working people. No wonder somebody here like Erod says such outright lies as the average Wisconsin teacher makes over $100K per year and when shown to be a LIAR does not even have the decency to apologize for the slur. Its worse than pathetic.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Please go back and read how the right wing governor CREATED this so called crisis. This is a manufactured crisis designed to crush unions and working people.

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    Unfortunately, you are wrong on this one. The economic situation is accurate. The idea that Walker created it is being perpetrated by Rachel Maddow, most notably, though others have made the same observation.

    PolitiFact Wisconsin | Rachel Maddow says Wisconsin is on track to have a budget surplus this year

    Now, that having been said, we should focus on the main issue rather than conspiracy theories.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Please go back and read how the right wing governor CREATED this so called crisis. This is a manufactured crisis designed to crush unions and working people.




    Instead of facts, you rabid right wing anti-unionists get your belief system from garbage comic book caricatures of unions and working people. No wonder somebody here like Erod says such outright lies as the average Wisconsin teacher makes over $100K per year and when shown to be a LIAR does not even have the decency to apologize for the slur. Its worse than pathetic.
    During the 2011 and 2012 period, WI is projected, and has been since Doyle was governor, to be in a 3-4 billion dollar deficit. To claim spending is not a problem or there really isn't fiscal problems or the current governor created the fiscal problems is completely diconnected from reality.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The extremist right win in this nation has ALWAYS hated unions because it gives the common working man power. If you are a right winger, the one thing you NEVER want to see is common working people acquiring power. That is a great threat against you and against your agenda.

    So now the Republican conservatives have looked at demographic projections and they can read the census as well as anyone else. They see that the backbone and 90%+ of their party - the white person - is decreasing in numbers and in power. By 2050 they even could be a minority of less than 50%. So how do they retain control in a democratic republic? Simple - they take away the right to vote from their opponents. They take away the unions from workers. They demonize minorities who tend to vote for the hated enemy. And the key to the door to all this is the Citizens United decision and the 2010 election results in an off year election when democrats foolishly stayed home.

    That is what you are seeing in Wisconsin. This attack on unions and on workers is part of a larger strategy to repeal the political progressive measures of the 20th century. And all you right wingers here are salivating at the prospect.

    I hope you like the taste of your masters hand.... or worse ... because its going to be a long struggle back to a rational nation.
    Actually we just want people to be able to decide for themselves without being strong-armed by union thugs, whether or not they want to even be in a union. It has nothing do with a war on the working class. I'm not rich and I'm not in a union. If unions are so great, why the opposition to secret ballots? We also believe that if unions strike, others have the right to come in and work. Unions have a history of violence and organized criminal activity. I support busting unions wherever and whenever possible.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    If ever there was an issue that shows why Gov't Employees should be denied the ability to Unionize, it is this.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    If ever there was an issue that shows why Gov't Employees should be denied the ability to Unionize, it is this.
    Almost enough to be considered a real response. Want to tell us what about this issue makes it so obvious that public employees should not be allowed to unionize? Or would you care to stick to vague talking points contributing nothing to the debate at hand?

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    Good for Scott Walker. People act as if he is destroying unions and these teachers are going to suffer irreperable harm from this. Its not as if he's shutting down the unions, its not like these teacher won't receive pay increases that line up with the normal CPI. He's looking at the budget, promised to take on unions, got elected by the people of Wisconsin and is now fulfilling his obligation to those who voted for him. That's how a representative republic should work, deal with it. The shame is that the state democrats in WI can't. Nobody ever walked out on their sorry budget crafting asses when Doyle was in power, along with the state legislature in the hands of the democrats. Sure, there were delays and obstructions to certain issues, but those were handled without leaving and bascially pitching a fit. It makes me ashamed of my home state for sure. North Carolina(where I live now) is facing a similar budget shortfall this year, and has a republican held legislature for the first time in 100 years IIRC. Will be interesting to see how this governor and legislature work on that issue compared to Wisconsin. I am sure they are watching it unfold. I know they have put education under the microscope as well, not sure what they are looking at cutting though.

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