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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

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    Besides, teachers aren't teachers anymore. They come from a different cloth, more interested in having the summer months off and guaranteed union pay. Did we have so many teachers having sex with students 25 years ago? No, it's a new phenomenon, brought on by a different style of teacher today.
    So what was it like when you were a pubic school teacher 25 years ago?

    I would love to compare experiences with you.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Here is the report from the Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/...os&Darling.pdf

    This budget crisis is as phony as a three dollar bill drawn with a magic marker.
    Face it. The gig is up. Liberalism has failed, much like multiculturalism in Europe.

    There is nowhere left to turn, no other vault to steal from. Socialism fails when you run out of other people's money to spend.

    Huge cuts are unavoidable now. You've got to make your own way now, not rely on the government teet.

    The money's run dry. The national debt is monstrously huge. There is no way out. The gig is up.

    Time to suck it up, go to work, and handle things by yourself. I know that hurts.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

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    You seem to forget that people that are like Obama like to redistribute the wealth. So anything like this automatically means that the other side is just trying to make the rich richer.

    Your exactly right. While many hard working Americans have saved through out their lives, we should now start taking what they have earned and give it to people who decided to settle to flipping burgers for the rest of their lives. No striving to improve their situation, just content at what they have and what can be GIVEN to them.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    So the average teacher in Wisconsin receives $100K in salary and benefits per year.

    http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/...tops-100kyear/

    Wow, not bad for teaching 3rd graders how to multiply and divide.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Face it. The gig is up. Liberalism has failed, much like multiculturalism in Europe.

    There is nowhere left to turn, no other vault to steal from. Socialism fails when you run out of other people's money to spend.

    Huge cuts are unavoidable now. You've got to make your own way now, not rely on the government teet.

    The money's run dry. The national debt is monstrously huge. There is no way out. The gig is up.

    Time to suck it up, go to work, and handle things by yourself. I know that hurts.
    Why did you reprint my post on the Wisconsin Fiscal Agency showing that the radical right wing governor manufactured the crisis himself and then not even say a word about it? Normally, when one reprints the words from another poster, they then say something in support or to refute it. You did neither.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So the average teacher in Wisconsin receives $100K in salary and benefits per year.

    http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/...tops-100kyear/

    Wow, not bad for teaching 3rd graders how to multiply and divide.
    the link you have shows nothing of the kind.

    this from OneWisconsinNow


    Be warned: The MacIver Institute is a not a news service. It is not a member of the traditional media. It is a right wing educational “charitable” organization and it is gathering footage to advance its conservative, anti-worker agenda.

    Talking to the MacIver Institute is abetting the conservative movement in its efforts to ensure progressive values and issues are not a part of the public policy debate. MacIver has spent considerable time criticizing the 2009-11 state budget, the Recovery Act, reforming the health insurance industry and stopping global climate change.

    MacIver is financed and run by leading conservatives, many with long ties to the Republican Party. Speaking on camera with the MacIver Institute helps the conservative movement by giving legitimacy to its faux “reporting,” as its “interviews” are regularly posted on the MacIver website.

    WHO IS THE MACIVER INSTITUTE
    The MacIver Institute is a conservative, pro-corporate organization founded in 2009 to advance conservative ideas and values. Its top staff is long-time Republican campaign strategists and its board of directors includes leading Republicans, most notably Mark Block, the head of Americans for Prosperity-WI, Fred Lubar, deep-pocketed Republican donor and Jim Troupis, lawyer to leading Republicans such as Assembly Speaker Scott Jensen and ethically-challenged Supreme Court Justices Mike Gableman and Annette Ziegler.

    Staff: MacIver’s top staffers include both the former Chief of Staff to Scott Jensen and former GOP state senate caucus head and campaign strategist for top Republicans including Attorney General JB Van Hollen.

    Jensen Ties: Initially, MacIver attempted to distance itself from Jensen, stating through a spokesperson that the former Assembly Speaker has no “formal role” with the organization. An investigation by Eye On Wisconsin's Cory Liebmann revealed that the properties of several initial communications from MacIver included the electronic imprint of Scott Jensen. Milwaukee Magazine also talked with Jensen about his involvement and after a preliminary denial, the reporter wrote “Later, Jensen amended that he is a consultant and his ‘main client’ is Alliance for School Choices.” [Milwaukee Magazine.com, 3/10/09]

    MACIVER METHODS
    MacIver has begun dispatching a new staffer, former Rock County television reporter Bill Osmulski, to events to film events and create conservative propaganda pieces as “news reports.” These “reports” are put onto the MacIver website and available for public consumption.

    ISSUE TARGETS
    MacIver hews to the standard conservative lines and its talking points are echoed in the arguments of the state’s leading Republican elected officials. It has referred to the 2009-11 state budget as “$12.8 billion of bad” and “driven by politics and devoid of principle,” has called health insurance reforms at the federal level “budget busting” and has criticized cap and trade. Its top target though, has been the federal Recovery Act and the use of those funds by the state legislature. In repeated postings on its website, MacIver attempts to make the case the legislature and the federal government failed in efforts to solve the economic crisis created by the failed policies of the Bush administration and that the legislature and federal government have failed to create much-needed jobs. [MacIver Institute Website]

    CREDIBILITY
    Immediately after it hired its phony news “reporter,” MacIver was plunged into controversy when it was confirmed the MacIver staffer had gotten an interview with two elected officials by allowing the two elected officials “to think he was just interviewing the two politicians for a local television station, all three men confirmed...” [Wisconsin State Journal, 9/5/09]


    CONSIDERATIONS
    One Wisconsin Now supports healthy and vibrant public policy discussions and this rightfully requires public officials to regularly talk with the media. This does not apply to the MacIver Institute, an ideologically-driven organization, created to advance a policy agenda, in this case an ultra-conservative one.

    The good news is MacIver can only film and put on its website what an individual says on camera. Any progressive who suddenly finds a MacIver camera thrust in his or her face should consider responding with a smiling response of “I am not interested in speaking with Scott Jensen’s right wing think tank.” As MacIver has been less-than-forthright about Jensen’s potential involvement in its operation, it would be interesting to see if they would post this video on their website.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    the link you have shows nothing of the kind.
    A school-teacher typically earns $46,707 in Wisconsin. That is without paying into a 401K or paying for their own health insurance.

    http://www.wpri.org/WIInterest/Vol11...erjohn11.3.pdf
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Here is my take on the situation, it really doesn't matter what happens, because either way this pans out, the union's pension funds are going to be greatly reduced.



    So here is the situation, they can either do things willingly, and get the best deal they can get, or they can just wait until the state runs out of money, unlike the federal government, Wisconsin can't print what they need, so what is going to happen when the money just runs out, you can hang the politicians, riot in the streets, burn down buildings, do anything you want, that is not going to make money magically appear.

    It's kind of like a person going out and running up his credit cards to the max, it's the end of the month, the bills are here, and there is zero in your checking account. Years of fiscal irresponsibility and unrestrained spending, has met up with reality. Blame whomever you want, if thats what makes you feel good, but the bottom line is, there just isn't enough money..... you can either accept reality, or drink your magic potion, and pretend that isn't the problem.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why did you reprint my post on the Wisconsin Fiscal Agency showing that the radical right wing governor manufactured the crisis himself and then not even say a word about it? Normally, when one reprints the words from another poster, they then say something in support or to refute it. You did neither.
    Again, the gig is up. Time to pay up. And pretty soon, time to vote again. I can't wait.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    These union scum who didn't show up to teach, like thier democrat buddies all should be fired and have thier pensions forfieted.

    Whats the sticking point? 5.8% towards thier own pensions?

    State budgets everywhere need cutting. But these dirtbags are willing to harm our childeren for thier selfishness.
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