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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What evidence do you have that these people are THUGS? - whatever that is .... and define it while you are at it.
    They look like thugs to me....





    I guess they didn't get the memo to tone the rhetoric down.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by diablo45 View Post
    yeah, it does.......this is simply an attemt by the wealthy to gut the middle class so's john galt and his buddies can get wealthy
    It is heart warming to see that some people get it. Thank you.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by diablo45 View Post
    yeah, it does.......this is simply an attemt by the wealthy to gut the middle class so's john galt and his buddies can get wealthy
    How is cutting spending making the rich, richer? Why can't the unions pay for their own healthcare and plan their own retirement as many other Americans must do out of their OWN paychecks?
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

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    They look like thugs to me....
    People engaged in their First Amendment rights look like thugs to you?!?!?!?

    Are you an American who believes in the rights afforded to citizen under the US Constitution?
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    This whole thing is a ginned up controversy manufactured by a radical right wing politician as part of an ideological effort to attack working people by destroying their unions. TPM for Feb 17th

    Wisconsin's new Republican governor has framed his assault on public worker's collective bargaining rights as a needed measure of fiscal austerity during tough times.

    The reality is radically different. Unlike true austerity measures -- service rollbacks, furloughs, and other temporary measures that cause pain but save money -- rolling back worker's bargaining rights by itself saves almost nothing on its own. But Walker's doing it anyhow, to knock down a barrier and allow him to cut state employee benefits immediately.

    Mad In Madison: Wisconsin Workers Protest Against Governor's Budget Proposals
    Furthermore, this broadside comes less than a month after the state's fiscal bureau -- the Wisconsin equivalent of the Congressional Budget Office -- concluded that Wisconsin isn't even in need of austerity measures, and could conclude the fiscal year with a surplus. In fact, they say that the current budget shortfall is a direct result of tax cut policies Walker enacted in his first days in office.

    "Walker was not forced into a budget repair bill by circumstances beyond he control," says Jack Norman, research director at the Institute for Wisconsin Future -- a public interest think tank. "He wanted a budget repair bill and forced it by pushing through tax cuts... so he could rush through these other changes."

    "The state of Wisconsin has not reached the point at which austerity measures are needed," Norman adds.

    In a Wednesday op-ed, the Capitol Times of Madison picked up on this theme.

    In its Jan. 31 memo to legislators on the condition of the state's budget, the Fiscal Bureau determined that the state will end the year with a balance of $121.4 million.
    To the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January.

    You can read the fiscal bureaus report here (PDF). It holds that "more than half" of the new shortfall comes from three of Walker's initiatives:

    $25 million for an economic development fund for job creation, which still holds $73 million because of anemic job growth.
    $48 million for private health savings accounts -- a perennial Republican favorite.
    $67 million for a tax incentive plan that benefits employers, but at levels too low to spur hiring.
    In essence, public workers are being asked to pick up the tab for this agenda. "The provisions in his bill do two things simultaneously," Norman says. "They remove bargaining rights, and having accomplished that, make changes in the benefit packages." That's how Walker's plan saves money. And when it's all said and done, these workers will have lost their bargaining rights going forward in perpetuity.
    Expect to see more of this in states as right wingers intentionally destroy their own state governments fiscal health in order to then destroy unions and working people.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

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    People engaged in their First Amendment rights look like thugs to you?!?!?!?

    Are you an American who believes in the rights afforded to citizen under the US Constitution?
    Ahhh, so you have no problem when people put crosshairs on the noses of elected officials ???

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

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    People engaged in their First Amendment rights look like thugs to you?!?!?!?

    Are you an American who believes in the rights afforded to citizen under the US Constitution?
    LOL, good gawd, dude. Give it up.

    You can't defer forever. The costly favors and benefits that Dems have been heaping on unions for years had a price, but we kept deferring that price to another day.

    This is that "another day". The rubber has met the road. The loan has been called due. And guess what? The kitty's empty.

    Tough, tough measures HAVE to be taken, and cuts have to be made.

    Besides, teachers aren't teachers anymore. They come from a different cloth, more interested in having the summer months off and guaranteed union pay. Did we have so many teachers having sex with students 25 years ago? No, it's a new phenomenon, brought on by a different style of teacher today.

    I can't imagine 1,100 teachers calling in sick on a school day in 1985. No way. Then again, teachers weren't so overwhelmingly liberal in those days either.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

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    Somehow, legislators leaving their home, their families, their constituents doesn't strike me as cowardly. It sounds like a last recourse. It stops the process temporarily for lack of a quorum and gives the people of the state a chance to examine what's being ramrodded through the legislature. But, ultimately these senators, they're Wisconsin patriots or should I say ‘Packers’? They'll go home but not before Wisconsin voters have a chance to see what is being done in their name.
    You've got to wonder just what people would have said if all the Republicans had left DC during the vote for HCR.

    I do know this though. If I had left my job I would have been fired without the manager even blinking.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Here is the report from the Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau

    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/...os&Darling.pdf

    This budget crisis is as phony as a three dollar bill drawn with a magic marker.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Gapeach View Post
    How is cutting spending making the rich, richer? Why can't the unions pay for their own healthcare and plan their own retirement as many other Americans must do out of their OWN paychecks?
    You seem to forget that people that are like Obama like to redistribute the wealth. So anything like this automatically means that the other side is just trying to make the rich richer.
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