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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

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    How do you feel about the Citizens United ruling by SCOTUS?
    Groups like corporations, both for-profit and not-for-profit, and unions are made up of people and therefore have a right to free speech.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    I'm sorry, but somewhere along the line somebody has to say it. Union salaries and benefits have bankrupted the state. There is no more money. Let me repeat, so that the partisian parrots amongst us will hear: There is no more money!! When school administrators can make more than the governor of the state, there IS a problem. When unions are willing to cut loose nearly half of their membership to unemployment in order to retain untenable salaries and benefits for the most senior union members, there IS a problem.

    People don't want to hear this, but this is not a fabricated economic crisis, it's a REAL economic crisis. The state cannot print money. There is nothing left to pay for the extravagant union salaries and benefits that have previously been expected. It's not there, people. Protest all you want, you won't put more revenue into an empty state coffer.

    So go ahead, play partisian politics. Run away like pussies, then come back raising a fist as if something of substance has been achieved (that will get y'all votes, don't you know, even if it does absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the state population as a whole.). Something today's spoiled population has yet to understand... if there isn't any money, then nobody gets paid, duh. Protest all you want, but unless you pass the hat and get enough to run the state for another year, then talk to the hand, dudes, you clearly don't understand the situation.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Check this out........

    Wisconsin state government salary - Sunshine Review

    .....the Wisconsin Union slobs contribute a whopping 6% for their Gold plated health care and an earth shattering 5% for their bloated diamond inlayed pensions.


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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm sorry, but somewhere along the line somebody has to say it. Union salaries and benefits have bankrupted the state. There is no more money. Let me repeat, so that the partisian parrots amongst us will hear: There is no more money!! When school administrators can make more than the governor of the state, there IS a problem. When unions are willing to cut loose nearly half of their membership to unemployment in order to retain untenable salaries and benefits for the most senior union members, there IS a problem.

    People don't want to hear this, but this is not a fabricated economic crisis, it's a REAL economic crisis. The state cannot print money. There is nothing left to pay for the extravagant union salaries and benefits that have previously been expected. It's not there, people. Protest all you want, you won't put more revenue into an empty state coffer.

    So go ahead, play partisian politics. Run away like pussies, then come back raising a fist as if something of substance has been achieved (that will get y'all votes, don't you know, even if it does absolutely nothing to improve the lives of the state population as a whole.). Something today's spoiled population has yet to understand... if there isn't any money, then nobody gets paid, duh. Protest all you want, but unless you pass the hat and get enough to run the state for another year, then talk to the hand, dudes, you clearly don't understand the situation.
    it isnt really about the money/benefits, from what interviews i've heard with the protesters, they would be ok paying more for their insurance, they would be ok with paying more toward their pensions, they are pissed with this blatant attempt to strip them of rights....that is what this is about, not the money/benefits.

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    I agree things need to be done financially, but doesn't it seem like it has a bit more to do with a personal agenda when certain supportive unions are exempt? If he truly believed this is what needed to be done and that everyone needs to do their part, then the police, state troopers, and fire departments should have to do their part as well.
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    it isnt really about the money/benefits, from what interviews i've heard with the protesters, they would be ok paying more for their insurance, they would be ok with paying more toward their pensions, they are pissed with this blatant attempt to strip them of rights....that is what this is about, not the money/benefits.
    What "rights"? The right to have a pension that will bankrupt the state? The right to keep their jobs while hundreds/thousands of others will lose their jobs to keep the most senior union employees sitting fat and happy? Exactly what "rights" are these governmental employees giving up in order to keep their state solvent, and to keep their peers employed?

    Or is that not a priority?

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    I was born and lived in Wisconsin until recently and I am happy with the actions the democrats are taking. I can also point out that I have many friends who voted for Walker who are very against his proposal. As it's been said, it's union busting, plain and simple. This is not what bothers me most. The biggest issue is the blatant favoritism towards his supporters. Public safety unions strongly supported his election. Public safety is retaining collective bargaining, while all others are being targeted. This is where the the majority of the outrage should lie in my opinion.
    Hmm . sounds to me much like is going on at the federal level ..

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    I was born and lived in Wisconsin until recently and I am happy with the actions the democrats are taking. I can also point out that I have many friends who voted for Walker who are very against his proposal. As it's been said, it's union busting, plain and simple. This is not what bothers me most. The biggest issue is the blatant favoritism towards his supporters. Public safety unions strongly supported his election. Public safety is retaining collective bargaining, while all others are being targeted. This is where the the majority of the outrage should lie in my opinion.
    Should we remember this post if the GOP does this somewhere in the future?

    This reminds me of when cowardly democrats did the same thing in Texas with redistricting...

    Disgusting. "Elections have consequences".
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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Should we remember this post if the GOP does this somewhere in the future?

    This reminds me of when cowardly democrats did the same thing in Texas with redistricting...

    Disgusting. "Elections have consequences".
    -chuckles- why don't you know, them democrats ..... they are .... just the party of "NO"

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    Re: Wisconsin Governor to Missing Democrats: Do Your Job

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    -chuckles- why don't you know, them democrats ..... they are .... just the party of "NO"
    But at least the GOP shows up for the votes and actually votes "NAY" perhaps the Democrats are the party of "run", as in "run away..."
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