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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    For what it's worth, The Economist (sort of) agrees with Gov. Scott that the Tampa-Orlando route isn't necessary. But only because it could be better spent on high-speed rail networks elsewhere.

    High-speed rail in Florida: Rick Scott deep-sixes Florida high-speed rail | The Economist
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    For what it's worth, The Economist (sort of) agrees with Gov. Scott that the Tampa-Orlando route isn't necessary. But only because it could be better spent on high-speed rail networks elsewhere.

    High-speed rail in Florida: Rick Scott deep-sixes Florida high-speed rail | The Economist
    I seriously hope Charlotte takes the money. It is less money out of our pockets then since we have already accepted some. Plus, a HSR from Atlanta-Charlotte-DC-NYC would be awesome. I can only imagine one from DC to LA as well.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Since it represents us, that pretty much goes without saying doesn't it?
    It does not represent us. It represents the interests of those closest to it.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I seriously hope Charlotte takes the money. It is less money out of our pockets then since we have already accepted some. Plus, a HSR from Atlanta-Charlotte-DC-NYC would be awesome. I can only imagine one from DC to LA as well.
    I think a good backbone would be awesome. NYC, Chicago, LA should be linked somehow. It would be pretty cool to have HSR that linked us coast to coast. But something that ran up the west coast would be cool too. Go to Seattle or something, take the train down to California, or whatever.

    HSR would be benefitial for the lot of us.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think a good backbone would be awesome. NYC, Chicago, LA should be linked somehow. It would be pretty cool to have HSR that linked us coast to coast. But something that ran up the west coast would be cool too. Go to Seattle or something, take the train down to California, or whatever.

    HSR would be benefitial for the lot of us.
    Except the project would be a boondoggle because government agencies don't know how to make a budget. Executives and employees will be paid too much, tracks won't be maintained, and stations will eventually fall into disrepair. Look at our road network and tell me that this won't be the case.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    For what it's worth, The Economist (sort of) agrees with Gov. Scott that the Tampa-Orlando route isn't necessary. But only because it could be better spent on high-speed rail networks elsewhere.

    High-speed rail in Florida: Rick Scott deep-sixes Florida high-speed rail | The Economist
    Exactly why the OPs comments are so puzzling. It's like he only read the spin and not the facts.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Except the project would be a boondoggle because government agencies don't know how to make a budget. Executives and employees will be paid too much, tracks won't be maintained, and stations will eventually fall into disrepair. Look at our road network and tell me that this won't be the case.
    Our roads are pretty dang good. Is there something wrong with the interstate system? Did it fall apart while I was asleep last night? I hope not, I still have to take I-25 down to Denver.

    While there are always plenty of places to clean up government and waste it can generate (partly this is our fault for not properly controlling government), that is not to say that there is not a wealth of benefit which all of us can derive from a true, national high speed rail system.
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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Our roads are pretty dang good. Is there something wrong with the interstate system? Did it fall apart while I was asleep last night? I hope not, I still have to take I-25 down to Denver.
    Poor U.S. Road Conditions Cost Drivers an Extra $52 Billion in Annual Vehicle Repairs: aftermarket News

    Poor road conditions cost us $52 billion.

    While there are always plenty of places to clean up government and waste it can generate (partly this is our fault for not properly controlling government), that is not to say that there is not a wealth of benefit which all of us can derive from a true, national high speed rail system.
    We could get a lot of benefit from it, if it was built, operated, and maintained by private companies.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    I'll wager that if you look at who is getting the contracts for these high-speed rails and compare that to donations to the Dems, there will be an astounding similarity. Unions, of course, are a given for Dems.

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    Re: Florida scraps high-speed rail plan pushed by Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    We have good roads though. Some could be better, but go to Somolia and tell me how roads are over there. Yes, there is grift and there is corruption and there is waste. We really need to get on top of that, stop waiting for the government to do so because the government won't. We have to be responsible. But at the same time, it's not worth throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The interstate system is pretty nice, and is heavily heavily used (one reason why it falls into disrepair so quickly), it exists on a scale which cannot be created by private industry in today's era. Now, it may be possible for them to purchase sections, but they couldn't from scratch make a whole new one. Too large. Too expensive. Too long (time wise). This is a job for government, this is something government is able to do better than the private sector. Now at the same time, it does require proper oversight and we have to insist on running a tight ship. But the point remains, our road conditions may cost any one of us a few extra hundred bucks a year, and while we could probably drive that down further through elimination of waste, the fact that the interstate system exists on the scale it exists on and is kept in repair well enough to be used as much as it is, is in and of itself quite the feat of engineering. And one best facilitated by the use of government, not private enterprise.

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    We could get a lot of benefit from it, if it was built, operated, and maintained by private companies.
    A true, high speed national rail system is something which exists outside the scope of private industry. It is too large an aggregated beast with far too much capital necessary for not just start up, but completion of final, working product, along with a time investment to a working product which is outside the grasp of private industry.

    There's a reason why private industry hasn't done something like this. Not because there isn't money to be made, but because it's not accessible to them.
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